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Old 06-26-2014, 10:49 AM
 
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Old 06-26-2014, 11:37 AM
 
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The reason the cars are there is because the highway is there, and the surface streets are underused and faster:
If you think the surface streets are fast now, wait until you destroy the main highway forcing 100k cars to find alternate routes. You ever see what happens to the service roads or side roads when they completely close off one section of Central or the Toll? Good luck with that. And all for what, so some Real Estate businesses guys can make some extra cash?
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Old 06-26-2014, 01:40 PM
 
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Do you believe TXDOT didn't take these things into consideration? The roads running under I345 would have to be tied into the new boulevard running north and south - that does not just happen on it's own.
Yes, because they are already building their boulevard, which is Caesar Chavez. They have moved entire historic buildings to make this happen. They have already run ramps directly from Central Expressway to Caesar Chavez and Good Lattimer in both directions. Good Lattimer was completed for the Green Line, but Casear Chavez is under major expansion to match the wide landscaped status it has through the Farmers Market area. That's why they've moved a block of historic buildings and are chopping up lots. This is your main boulevard. Without the freeway, there would be a ton of developable land on both sides of it. With the freeway, there are a ton of empty lots still around it.

As far as being a viable pass through, it has six, sometimes 8 lanes. It also has direct ramps to I-30 in both directions. Every concept I've seen of a renoed I-30 keeps those direct connections. One can also take Caesar Chavez to I-45. If TxDOT were to commit to making this their boulevard, all they would have to do is continue what they've done downtown and add one simple set of on and off ramps to directly connect Caesar Chavez to I-45. There is no way that would cost them $1 billion to widen a street and add an on and off ramp..
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Old 06-26-2014, 04:32 PM
 
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I propose the legal Driving age should be 21. (just like alcohol)
Kids behind the wheel are dangerous.
Besides, it would be good for transit.

They can ride bicycles, and the light rail and use the Bus.[/quote]

Just so I am clear, we will let kids go to Iraq and defend our country, but you don't want them to be able to drive when they get back home on leave? Hey, welcome home from Iraq. We are going to drop you off at Fort Hood, but you have to take a bus home...
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Old 06-26-2014, 05:04 PM
 
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You have a lot of faith in TXDOT.
Well, for certain TXDOT has a better track record than Patrick Kennedy.
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Old 06-26-2014, 05:05 PM
 
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That's the world's all time best non-sequitur.
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Old 06-26-2014, 05:15 PM
 
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Yes, because they are already building their boulevard, which is Caesar Chavez. They have moved entire historic buildings to make this happen. They have already run ramps directly from Central Expressway to Caesar Chavez and Good Lattimer in both directions. Good Lattimer was completed for the Green Line, but Casear Chavez is under major expansion to match the wide landscaped status it has through the Farmers Market area. That's why they've moved a block of historic buildings and are chopping up lots. This is your main boulevard. Without the freeway, there would be a ton of developable land on both sides of it. With the freeway, there are a ton of empty lots still around it.

As far as being a viable pass through, it has six, sometimes 8 lanes. It also has direct ramps to I-30 in both directions. Every concept I've seen of a renoed I-30 keeps those direct connections. One can also take Caesar Chavez to I-45. If TxDOT were to commit to making this their boulevard, all they would have to do is continue what they've done downtown and add one simple set of on and off ramps to directly connect Caesar Chavez to I-45. There is no way that would cost them $1 billion to widen a street and add an on and off ramp..

OMG, you cannot possibly be serious?
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Old 06-26-2014, 08:04 PM
 
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I'm all for greater street-level connectivity, but have you seen how many vehicles use that connector (I-345)? I can't even imagine the roadway mayhem that would result from its absence. Besides, don't the surface streets and sidewalks still run below it? Is the city not already physically connected?
I think that the time it would take to do this would definitely get people used to the freeway not being there. Whenever the "NEW" boulevard opens, people would be used to their alternate routes that theyve been taking for two years during construction.
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Old 06-27-2014, 02:28 PM
 
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Completion of Haskell Boulevard from City Place to Fair Park (with McKinney Avenue Trolley extension down the middle) is another possible traffic reliever route.
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Old 06-27-2014, 04:04 PM
 
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Completion of Haskell Boulevard from City Place to Fair Park (with McKinney Avenue Trolley extension down the middle) is another possible traffic reliever route.
I mean please. This is as out there as your blind cheerleading for WWHS. Possible is a big word when other people's livelihoods are on the line.
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