09-18-2015, 07:44 AM
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Nobody is saying Hockaday is doing worse than public schools, you can't compare apples to oranges. The point is that compared to its own past performance and compared to comparable schools like St. Marks, Hockaday has not done well in the last two years. And it is obvious from the way the announcement was handled this year, the school itself is worried about the trend. Can Hockaday bounce back from this? Sure, no doubt about it if necessary measures are taken. Will it? Time will tell.
The thing is, there's no way to know how many kids missed NMSF by 1 point. Hockaday's SAT average could be as high as ever, but they had 20 kids miss NMSF by 1 point rather than 10 more kids 1 point over. The total number of NMSF says something, but it obviously is only one data point. Especially with a smaller class size, the numbers are going to fluctuate wildly.
09-18-2015, 07:53 AM
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11 out of 120 vs (I'll use our HS for this example) 10 out of 500. I am no math whiz but Hockaday is just fine. Yall can all quit clutching your pearls. Geez.
This made me chuckle, thanks for that.
Clutching pearls, no, raising eyebrows yes.
For what its worth, i compare Hockaday to similarly selective schools. Greenhill, St Marks, Cistercian, TAMS, HPHS( that last one is selective by virtue of location) and their own past performance.
Others may not agree with this comparison. The fact that they are all girls shouldn't be a factor. If it is then thats a question for the co-ed vs not debate.....and that one makes my head hurt.
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09-18-2015, 08:35 AM
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Well, you are right, schools that hand pick are supposed to outperform by a lot. Maybe the money is the problem. How much is the admission merit based, and how much it is something else..
Well, Hockaday was founded to educate the daughters of the elite. And that still is, and probably always will be their primary function. That's not to say it hasn't morphed into a fine educational institution, but it is what it is.
It will probably never perform the same as a school that was founded to educate the very smart regardless of status (TAMS comes to mind, Cistercian too maybe) but it is still a very good school and still one of the best in Dallas, no matter how that came to be.
Dallas needs at least one more K-12 girls only school. Not sure why Ursuline opted out of that, there's definitely a need. Hockaday can't admit all the smart girls in DFW even if they wanted to.
09-18-2015, 08:57 AM
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The thing is, there's no way to know how many kids missed NMSF by 1 point. Hockaday's SAT average could be as high as ever, but they had 20 kids miss NMSF by 1 point rather than 10 more kids 1 point over. The total number of NMSF says something, but it obviously is only one data point. Especially with a smaller class size, the numbers are going to fluctuate wildly.
This is a valid point but then again all good public and private schools have huge number of students who miss by one or two points. They get commended and that's awesome but they don't count as NMSF. I know for a fact that HPSH, COPPELL and Plano WEST always have 4-5 times commended number then they have NMSF.
09-18-2015, 09:48 AM
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On Hockaday, I wonder if their admission is focusing more on elite family status than academic ability. Our daughter got wait-listed twice even though she had outstanding academic credentials and much stronger than her brother who joined St. Mark's in high school. St. Mark's seems to be more meritocracy based on who we see get in.
09-18-2015, 10:22 AM
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Some of you people are really out to lunch on this one.
Hockdaday is rated one of the top 50 private schools in the country based solely on academic outcomes.
Check out numbers 50, 21, and 8.
Smartest private high schools in the US - Business Insider
Last year Hockaday's SAT, averaged middle 50% range, was not quite 50 points higher than Greenhill by the same metrics (Hockaday 2105 and GH 2055).
Recent SAT averages
TAG Dallas - 1905
HP - 1780
Plano West - 1726
I think we should dispense with the, Hockaday was founded for the elite and academics come second nonsense. A school simply cannot be one of the most well thought of and top ranked privates in the country with second rate academics.
09-18-2015, 10:36 AM
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And your point is? I pick a school based in my criteria, dont care what others choose to do most days.
No problem with that - you have to decide what's best or you and your family. But you should have expected pushback once you agreed with the poster who tagged Hockaday as a failure in this context - a school that has one of the very best success rates in the country BTW.
09-18-2015, 10:41 AM
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This is a valid point but then again all good public and private schools have huge number of students who miss by one or two points. They get commended and that's awesome but they don't count as NMSF. I know for a fact that HPSH, COPPELL and Plano WEST always have 4-5 times commended number then they have NMSF.
Your last claim is incorrect. I just looked at PW for two years the ratio of NMSF to commended students was just a shade over 2 : 1 both years.
09-18-2015, 10:44 AM
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Some of you people are really out to lunch on this one.
Hockdaday is rated one of the top 50 private schools in the country based solely on academic outcomes.
Check out numbers 50, 21, and 8.
Smartest private high schools in the US - Business Insider
Last year Hockaday's SAT, averaged middle 50% range, was not quite 50 points higher than Greenhill by the same metrics (Hockaday 2105 and GH 2055).
Recent SAT averages
TAG Dallas - 1905
HP - 1780
Plano West - 1726
I think we should dispense with the, Hockaday was founded for the elite and academics come second nonsense. A school simply cannot be one of the most well thought of and top ranked privates in the country with second rate academics.
Those are some impressive stats for Hockaday and Greenhill. Very impressive stats for Plano west given their size/enrollment.
Hockaday was founded for the reason it was founded as were many other Elite private schools and Colleges. They embrace their history. It really doesn't need defending.
Now whether they still use those same admissions practices is a topic for another thread maybe? I wont be on that one, i'm thinking the guns will come out.
09-18-2015, 06:06 PM
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Those are some impressive stats for Hockaday and Greenhill. Very impressive stats for Plano west given their size/enrollment.
Yes that's right. My guess is you won't be. Nonsense claims fall apart in the face of quantifiable metrics.
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Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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