Liquor stores, aprés le deluge (Orchard Mesa, Cottonwood: sale, buy, live)

[Quietude]

Originally Posted by tanbark813

CA doesn't have a liquor store on every corner and next to every grocery store like here.

Maybe we're talking about different Californias than the one I lived in for decades, because I certainly remember exactly that. There was a liquor store in nearly every plaza of any size, often quite near grocery stores, big drugstores and even liquor warehouses.

The price discrepancies aren't as big either. CO will probably end up with something similar but will lose some liquor stores along the way to get to that point.

There are vast ranges of pricing in CA compared to the exceedingly narrow range of CT and here.

With all due politeness, I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about here. Maybe you visited anomalous parts of California, or something but nothing you've said above is even close to accurate.

I find it annoying as hell to have moved from a state with very open liquor laws to ones stuck in the late 1930s... but I in no way advocate the California system for any other place. OTOH, I don't believe in protected classes for merchants; if liquor stores can't survive in a more competitive arena, let 'em die.

[Timmyy]

Liquor stores were a rare sight in San Diego. It has always been one stop shopping when it came to groceries and alcohol. I grew up there and I didn't move here until I was 28.

Up until about 10 years ago it was illegal to sell alcohol on Sundays here in Colorado. We are slowly moving into the 21st century.

[tanbark813]

Originally Posted by Quietude

With all due politeness, I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about here. Maybe you visited anomalous parts of California, or something but nothing you've said above is even close to accurate.

I lived in the Bay Area in CA for over 30 years. Grew up there and moved here from there in 2017. So yeah, I know what I'm talking about.

[Quietude]

Okay, overlooked the 'drugstore license' category. But as you say, it's so restricted as to have far less impact that just being able to buy real beer in grocery stores.

As the arguments against fairly open liquor sales are either morality-based (without much actual data in support of the claims and positions) or protecting a class of merchants to the detriment of consumers, all the mickey-mouse maneuvering is pure absurdism.

[Timmyy]

Originally Posted by tanbark813

I lived in the Bay Area in CA for over 30 years. Grew up there and moved here from there in 2017. So yeah, I know what I'm talking about.

I am on board with you. I couldn't believe how many liquor stores there were when I first moved here and then I learned that nothing but 3.2 was sold in the grocery stores.

[Quietude]

Originally Posted by tanbark813

I lived in the Bay Area in CA for over 30 years. Grew up there and moved here from there in 2017. So yeah, I know what I'm talking about.

Lived in CA for 50 years and unless the Bay Area cities have restrictions I'm unaware of, nothing you said applies to any California I'm familiar with. Just go look at yellow page listings or whatever, or call up a Google map of any random suburban area, to see how many liquor stores there are, and where. I'd wager it's more than the density here, and over ten times the effective area.

But don't take my hazy recollections of a few years ago for it: this report from 2014 says more than 10 times as many liquor stores in CA as CO, with a per-population ratio of almost 2:1.

[tanbark813]

Originally Posted by Quietude

Lived in CA for 50 years and unless the Bay Area cities have restrictions I'm unaware of, nothing you said applies to any California I'm familiar with. Just go look at yellow page listings or whatever, or call up a Google map of any random suburban area, to see how many liquor stores there are, and where. I'd wager it's more than the density here, and over ten times the effective area.

There are also 10x as many people. I never said there were no liquor stores, just not everywhere like here.

Your mind is probably just failing you in your old age.

[Quietude]

Originally Posted by tanbark813

There are also 10x as many people. I never said there were no liquor stores, just not everywhere like here.

Your mind is probably just failing you in your old age.

Nearly two to one population ratio, CO to CA. One store per 2700 Californians, vs one per 4200 MileHighers.

[Sir Quotes A Lot]

Originally Posted by Quietude

Okay, overlooked the 'drugstore license' category. But as you say, it's so restricted as to have far less impact that just being able to buy real beer in grocery stores.

As the arguments against fairly open liquor sales are either morality-based (without much actual data in support of the claims and positions) or protecting a class of merchants to the detriment of consumers, all the mickey-mouse maneuvering is pure absurdism.

As of now, it seems like any brand chain can have up to five of these 'drugstore licenses'. I'm sure in due time, that number will be increased.

I'm friends with a person whose family owns/owned a couple of liquor stores in the metro, including one very well known store. Based on her explanations and defenses, this has always been about protecting the liquor store lobby. As soon as they knew this law was passing, one of her family members sold off one of their stores.

[tanbark813]

Originally Posted by Quietude

Nearly two to one population ratio, CO to CA. One store per 2700 Californians, vs one per 4200 MileHighers.

That report doesn't say what qualifies as a liquor store. If that means "any store that sells liquor" then it would include grocery stores for CA but not for CO.