Half Of Detroit Can't Pay Water Bill. UN To The Rescue? (Caro: neighborhood, buy)

[jessxwrites89]

I love your comments detwahDJ.

[pokeable]

[quote=detwahDJ;35360400]

Originally Posted by Retroit

Should be: "Half of Detroit knows they can get away with not paying their water bill."

...because the liberals (including the Water Department person quoted in the article) has convinced them that it is a "God-given, human right".[/quote]

Oh those "liberals" again - the Fox bubble is warm and cozy, eh?
It is right-wing economic policies, not Detroit residents or "liberals", which chased manufacturing jobs out of Detroit and the rest of the country.
The only "convincing" done is that by simplistic and self-verifying right-wing media platitudes which disingenuous and unthinking cons love to parrot.
You might instruct your Congress to stop obstructing jobs legislation or come up with some of their own rather than sitting on their behinds for six years. Then people could pay their bills.

BTW, note to cons - water is necessary for life, and life is a right. You disagree?

So UAW compensation, health care benefits, and pensions had nothing to do with the Big 3 having a near death experience? It's not all the fault of crappy car design.

So having a grossly bloated city infrastructure that has grown in size, with a population that lost over a million tax paying residents over 50 years, had no role in Detroit's bankruptcy?

FYI: Democrats have run Detroit for 50 years with epic results. Democrats controlled the Presidency, House and Senate until 2010, and have controlled two of three since. The promised workers paradise has yet to emerge.

[Devout Urbanist]

Originally Posted by pokeable

So UAW compensation, health care benefits, and pensions had nothing to do with the Big 3 having a near death experience?

No. Workers deserve all those things. They should lower CEO and top executives' salaries, get rid of their absurd bonuses, and stop selling people shoddy products to maximize profits. Then those companies might be able to pay honest, hard-working American citizens exactly what they deserve.

So having a grossly bloated city infrastructure that has grown in size, with a population that lost over a million tax paying residents over 50 years, had no role in Detroit's bankruptcy?

Sure it did. But big business and big government are inextricably intertwined.

Originally Posted by pokeable

FYI: Democrats have run Detroit for 50 years with epic results. Democrats controlled the Presidency, House and Senate until 2010, and have controlled two of three since. The promised workers paradise has yet to emerge.

Detroit suffered four major recessions the last time it had back-to-back republican mayors. The deindustrialization of Detroit began in the '50s under Cobo, a republican mayor. It was Cobo who failed to address the housing crisis, renew lucrative defense contracts, and keep manufacturing jobs from going to the suburbs and other parts of the country.

[Retroit]

Originally Posted by Derward

It is right-wing economic policies, not Detroit residents or "liberals", which chased manufacturing jobs out of Detroit and the rest of the country.
The only "convincing" done is that by simplistic and self-verifying right-wing media platitudes which disingenuous and unthinking cons love to parrot.
You might instruct your Congress to stop obstructing jobs legislation or come up with some of their own rather than sitting on their behinds for six years. Then people could pay their bills.

BTW, note to cons - water is necessary for life, and life is a right. You disagree?

Thanks for the laugh. Free Trade was embraced as much by Liberals as Conservatives. Ever hear of NAFTA? Let me guess, Bill Clinton was a Conservative?

And, no, water is not a right. If you can't obtain it yourself (from collecting rain water, drilling a well, etc.), then you have to buy it from someone else.

C'mon you should know this. You're watching too much MSNBC.

[OuttaTheLouBurbs]

Originally Posted by OuttaTheLouBurbs

You know what I meant. Answer the question.

Still waiting on that answer. Or do you (Retroit) know where I'm taking the question and are you afraid of the point I'm making?

[pokeable]

Originally Posted by Devout Urbanist

Detroit suffered four major recessions the last time it had back-to-back republican mayors. The deindustrialization of Detroit began in the '50s under Cobo, a republican mayor. It was Cobo who failed to address the housing crisis, renew lucrative defense contracts, and keep manufacturing jobs from going to the suburbs and other parts of the country.

Lol. Detroit was in the running for the 2nd Boeing 787 plant. Wonder why they chose South Carolina. Or BMW chose South Carolina. Or Mercedes chose Alabama. or Hyundai/Kia chose Alabama and Georgia. Or Nissan chose Tennessee. Or Toyota chose Kentucky.

Could it be...right to work status?

I'm not trying to union bash; but the UAW has been a large impediment in bringing manufacturing to the state. Michigan has the infrastructure and the workforce, but is not competitive in the current economic climate. I'm glad that FoMoCo, GM, and Chrysler/Fiat (when will there be the investigation that let a floundering Fiat take over Chrysler for next to nothing? Chrysler currently generates the majority of the Fiat group's profits since Europe is a pile of dog poop) are on their feet, but restructuring and offloading union legacy costs plays a large role in their current profitability.

Double lol; The last republican mayor of Detroit left office in January of 1962. 52 years of Democratic rule and...?? The Coleman Young years served as a such a shining example of regional cooperation, and businesses flocked to the city in droves, yes?

[Devout Urbanist]

Originally Posted by pokeable

Lol. Detroit was in the running for the 2nd Boeing 787 plant. Wonder why they chose South Carolina. Or BMW chose South Carolina. Or Mercedes chose Alabama. or Hyundai/Kia chose Alabama and Georgia. Or Nissan chose Tennessee. Or Toyota chose Kentucky.

Could it be...right to work status?

I'm not trying to union bash; but the UAW has been a large impediment in bringing manufacturing to the state. Michigan has the infrastructure and the workforce, but is not competitive in the current economic climate. I'm glad that FoMoCo, GM, and Chrysler/Fiat (when will there be the investigation that let a floundering Fiat take over Chrysler for next to nothing? Chrysler currently generates the majority of the Fiat group's profits since Europe is a pile of dog poop) are on their feet, but restructuring and offloading union legacy costs plays a large role in their current profitability.

Double lol; The last republican mayor of Detroit left office in January of 1962. 52 years of Democratic rule and...?? The Coleman Young years served as a such a shining example of regional cooperation, and businesses flocked to the city in droves, yes?

You didn't actually dispute anything I wrote. Detroit began losing manufacturing jobs in the 1950s. The percentage of automobile manufacturing jobs in Detroit fell 16% under two republican mayors. Decentralization and deindustrialization are not new and they certainly did not begin with Coleman Young. All of Detroit's structural and economic problems were firmly in place before 1974. The UAW is not preventing manufacturing jobs from coming to Michigan. Corporate greed is. Workers should take cuts to their pensions and health benefits, while the CEOs who run these companies into the ground earn $14 million a year? Yeah, ok.

[MS313]

McDonald's starts it's workers off at minimum wage with only 10, 15, 25 (for excellent performance) cent raises twice a year. If you're there long enough, you will cap out where manager pay starts ($9.15). Meanwhile, there are reports that shows McDonald's are down in sales since last year YET the CEO's pay has tripped since last year. Hmmmm

But hey, god forbid workers fight for a better wage just to LIVE.

[Yac]

In case anyone is confused, and apparently quite a few of you are, this is not the Politics forum. If you want to fight the silly "con vs lib"fight, do it there.
Please.
Yac.

[Retroit]

Originally Posted by OuttaTheLouBurbs

Oh? So you've met all 350,000 people who aren't paying their water bill and can tell that every single one is a lazy moocher?

If a person is taking something without paying for it, that is called "theft". You don't have to interview someone to know that.