Chimps are omnivores--should we be, too? (systems, infection, break, food)

[brooklynborndad]

Originally Posted by JerZ

Erm, I don't either. I never said I did. I obviously hit a BIG trigger calling food you love a name.

you call nutritious foods crap, in a country where a lot of people really DO eat crap, expect some push back, yeah.

And foods that are harmful to people with specific conditions they KNOW about, dont need to be called "crap". I would reserve that for the foods that do NOT cause people obvious symptoms, but lead to long term problems.

[brooklynborndad]

Originally Posted by JerZ

Whatever country you're in, the people might benefit from whole wheat if all the nutrients weren't stripped out of it (which they are...which is why wheat products, including whole wheat products, are "enriched"...they have to add stuff in). I would think that if what's helping is what's being injected back into flour, then people would benefit more from a vitamin, plus whole foods rather than vitamins mixed in a lab, injected into something that many people's bodies can't handle. (I repeat. MANY people's bodies.) But that's just me.

I don't think you're hearing me but hopefully anyone reading this thread will be interested enough to continue his or her own research from here. I'm sorry you react emotionally to certain foods being called "crap."

Peace out.

Show me evidence that nutrients are stripped out of whole wheat bread (the enrichment requirements were instituted when most people ate white bread, and AFAIK have never been updated - note also, not all dark colored breads that say wheat bread are WHOLE wheat) Note that while whole grains provide many micronutrients, the most important are protein and dietary fiber.

People in the USA would benefit from more whole wheat bread, more quinoa, more barley, more cracked wheat salad, and less potatoes, less sugar, etc.

I think thats clear and not controversial, other than among the paleos. Even the modest number of people with wheat allergies can usually digest other grains.

[brooklynborndad]

Originally Posted by JerZ

I don't either. However, the two huge staples we rely on culturally...wheat and dairy...are probably crap.

No. Lets be clear. Whole wheat is a very good source of protien, dietary fiber, and micronutrients, that very people cannot tolerate. Rhetoric about processing doesnt change that.

Dairy for the majority of Americans who are not lactose intolerant, is an excellent source of micronutrients, esp calcium, and of protein. For those who have no issue with sat fat, full fat dairy is a good choice, for those who wish to limit their sat fat low or non fat dairy is a good choice.

[brooklynborndad]

WHFoods: Whole wheat

If you select 100% whole wheat products, however, the bran and the germ of the wheat will remain in your meals, and the health benefits will be impressive! Our food ranking qualified whole wheat (in its original non-enriched form) as a very good source of dietary fiber and manganese, and as a good source of magnesium.

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The many benefits of whole wheat products are being recognized more and more by consumers. Even though many health-conscious individuals have been cutting back on their intake of total carbs and refined wheat products (by about 10% between 1997-2007), the demand for whole wheat products has actually increased during that same time period. This trend fits in well with a Mediterranean diet approach to health, which looks to lower overall carbs but higher whole grains, including whole wheat.

Women Who Eat Whole Grains Weigh Less

A study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition underscores the importance of choosing whole rather than refined wheat to maintain a healthy body weight. In this Harvard Medical School / Brigham and Women's Hospital study, which collected data on over 74,000 female nurses aged 38-63 years over a 12 year period, weight gain was inversely associated with the intake of high-fiber, whole-grain foods, such as whole wheat, but positively related to the intake of refined-grain foods, such as products made from refined wheat.

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Whole Grains Reduce Risk of Metabolic Syndrome


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The latest research is clearly supporting this vital distinction. Refined grains and the foods made from them (e.g., white breads, cookies, pastries, pasta and rice) are now being linked not only to weight gain but to increased risk of insulin resistance (the precursor of type 2 diabetes) and the metabolic syndrome (a strong predictor of both type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease), while eating more wholegrain foods is being shown to protect against all these ills.

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In one of the most recent studies, which appeared in Diabetes Care, researchers who analyzed data on over 2,800 participants in the Framingham Offspring Study, found that the prevalence of both insulin resistance and the metabolic syndrome was significantly lower among those eating the most cereal fiber from whole grains compared to those eating the least.


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Whole Grains Substantially Lower Type 2 Diabetes Risk

Whole grains are a rich source of magnesium, a mineral that acts as a co-factor for more than 300 enzymes, including enzymes involved in the body's use of glucose and insulin secretion.

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The FDA permits foods that contain at least 51% whole grains by weight (and are also low in fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol) to display a health claim stating consumption is linked to lower risk of heart disease and certain cancers. Now, research suggests regular consumption of whole grains also reduces risk of type 2 diabetes. (van Dam RM, Hu FB, Diabetes Care).


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Whole Wheat's Betaine Lessens Chronic Inflammation

People whose diets supplied the highest average intake of choline (found in egg yolk and soybeans), and its metabolite betaine (found naturally in beets, spinach and whole wheat), have levels of inflammatory markers at least 20% lower than subjects with the lowest average intakes, report Greek researchers in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (Detopoulou P, Panagiotakos DB, et al.)
Compared to those whose diets contained <250 mg/day of choline, subjects whose diets supplied >310 mg of choline daily had, on average:

• 22% lower concentrations of C-reactive protein
• 26% lower concentrations of interleukin-6
• 6% lower concentrations of tumor necrosis factor alpha

Compared to those consuming <260 mg/day of betaine, subjects whose diets provided >360 mg per day of betaine had, on average: 10% lower concentrations of homocysteine
19% lower concentrations of C-reactive protein
12% lower concentrations of tumor necrosis factor alpha Each of these markers of chronic inflammation has been linked to a wide range of conditions including heart disease, osteoporosis, cognitive decline and Alzheimer's, and type-2 diabetes.



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Whole Grains Help Prevent Gallstones

Eating foods high in insoluble fiber, such as cereals and breads made from whole wheat, can help women avoid gallstones, shows a study published in the American Journal of Gastroenterology.



Whole Wheat Gets You Going



Wheat bran is a popular bulk laxative. A third of a cup per day is all that is needed. Research studies support this popular practice. A fiber-rich diet, primarily composed of whole wheat breads, cereals high in bran and supplemental �millers bran� was shown to alleviate the symptoms of diverticular disease (pain, nausea, flatulence, distension, constipation, etc.) in 89 percent of patients enrolled in a study which examined the effects of fiber on bowel regularity.

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The fact that only wheat bran, and not corn or oat bran, is beneficial in preventing cancer-promoting changes in the colon, provides additional clues that wheat bran contains something special that makes it a true cancer fighter. Only the bran from wheat has been shown to reduce the concentration of bile acids and bacterial enzymes in the stool that are believed to promote colon cancer.

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Fiber from Whole Grains and Fruit Protective against Breast Cancer

When researchers looked at how much fiber 35,972 participants in the UK Women's Cohort Study ate, they found a diet rich in fiber from whole grains, such as whole wheat, and fruit offered significant protection against breast cancer for pre-menopausal women. (Cade JE, Burley VJ, et al., International Journal of Epidemiology).

[nancy thereader]

Let's be clear , Whole wheat is a very good source of protien

Whole wheat, while it is very healthful does not contain protein. Animal products have protein.

[AnonChick]

Originally Posted by nancy thereader

Let's be clear , Whole wheat is a very good source of protien

Whole wheat, while it is very healthful does not contain protein. Animal products have protein.

Animal products have protein, and so do a lot of other foods. Wheat is one of them. For every 100 grams of whole wheat (unrefined winter wheat, whole grain), there are just under 13 grams of protein. So, whole grain wheat is 13% protein. That's pretty significant.

There's iron in wheat too. Yes, it's a starch. And yes, refined non-enriched white flour is mostly starch. But whole grain wheat, which includes the germ, is an excellent source of protein. So is soy, among other things.

[tickyul]

Originally Posted by brooklynborndad

But does it efect most people? That its more common than scurvy or berri berri doesnt really tell me how common it is.

Nor does that indicate how many people who are iron deficient are getting that way because plant food absorption is a problem for them. I suspect many people dont get enough iron cause they neglect high iron plant foods as well as high iron animal foods.

What..........you are just running in circles. I answered your initial questions..............then..............dreck.

Come on..........if one form of iron is the main way people get their iron and it is poorly absorbed........well, you should be able to figure out that a better source of iron would be much better for them.

And non-heme iron is often times prescribed for Anemia in HUGE amounts because it is very poorly absorbed, sometimes at a rate of 2% or less, most of it goes down the toilet. There are so many things that hamper non-heme iron absorption that have NO effect on heme-iron.

Why not eat some of the best nutrition available.....beef liver, beef heart and other organ meats......loaded with more biologically available nutrients than just about any other foods.

[JerZ]

Originally Posted by brooklynborndad

I didnt need crack paleo theories or rhetoric about dairy being crap to know this. Its not news.

Sweetie, how many times are you going to beat your breast, say the word "rhetoric" and reiterate "crap" passionately? Calm down. Here, have a cookie. A multigrain one.

Eat your grains, for the love of barley. If it's making you happy and you feel it's healthy for you, then eat them. Dude, I was called a Paleotard in my thread about Paleo. It rolled off my back because I know I'm healthy. If you know you're healthy, why all the emotion and the drama and the dog-gnawing-at-a-bone repetition? Just eat the way you want, you're an adult.

The way you're freaking out over this and totally unable to let go of a couple of simple words, it almost sounds like you're trying to convince yourself, not us.

Just calm down and eat your grains, nobody's stopping you and Western civilization isn't going to come to a grinding halt if you have a whole wheat bun.

[brooklynborndad]

Originally Posted by JerZ

Sweetie, how many times are you going to beat your breast, say the word "rhetoric" and reiterate "crap" passionately? Calm down. Here, have a cookie. A multigrain one.

Illogical arguments get my dander up


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[tickyul]

Originally Posted by brooklynborndad

I dont know the diet you are referring to. For an ordinary vegan diet, it takes planning.

Plan all you want, if it is deficient, it is deficient....cannot squeeze blood from a turnip.