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Old 04-23-2014, 06:22 PM
 
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A high fat diet DOES NOT work for everyone. I am 52 and I have no problem with insulin resistance. And actual whole grains are quite good for you. They provide fiber, vitamins and minerals.
Flax seed and veggies will give you all the fiber you need and not spike your blood sugar. Whole wheat has a higher GI than table sugar. Personally, I did enough damage to my metabolism eating whole wheat for years. Like I said, everyone eventually gets insulin resistance. My father-in-law was skinny as a rail until he was 60 eating whole grains and a low-fat diet. Then it went downhill and he developed Type 2 in less than 5 years time, without consuming extra calories. He's very chunky and slow now.

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How long have you been on this high fat diet? High fat diets are dangerous in the long run.
This is just 3 months for me. Citation on it being dangerous in the long run?
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Old 04-23-2014, 06:38 PM
 
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Flax seed and veggies will give you all the fiber you need and not spike your blood sugar. Whole wheat has a higher GI than table sugar. Personally, I did enough damage to my metabolism eating whole wheat for years. Like I said, everyone eventually gets insulin resistance. My father-in-law was skinny as a rail until he was 60 eating whole grains and a low-fat diet. Then it went downhill and he developed Type 2 in less than 5 years time, without consuming extra calories. He's very chunky and slow now.

This is just 3 months for me. Citation on it being dangerous in the long run?
You are amazingly misinformed about whole grains and diet in general. Get back to us in 6 months and let us know how the whole high fat thing is working for you.
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Old 04-23-2014, 06:40 PM
 
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You are amazingly misinformed about whole grains and diet in general. Get back to us in 6 months and let us know how the whole high fat thing is working for you.
A Slice of Whole Grain Bread Raises Your Blood Sugar More Than a Snickers | KetopiaKetopia
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Old 04-23-2014, 06:50 PM
 
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For whatever reason there are several posters on this board that are very threatened by anyone who has had success by cutting out grains and increasing the fat in their diet. Why this is I have no idea. It's the main reason I've pretty much stopped posting on the health and fitness boards here.

I get that not everyone has the mental strength to break out of the "healthy whole grains" cycle, but man, why is there so much hostility for those who do? Why does it bother people so much that I don't eat bread? I've never said they can't have it... heck, if anything they should be happy because there's more bread, pasta and cake for them!

I've seen Fat Head and I agree that what he did in that movie works. I also don't eat grains and no longer worry about fat content and have seen many benefits to eating this way. I will not go back to eating grains "in moderation" or at all when I can avoid them. The mental clarity alone is worth the effort it takes to be grain free. The fact that my health is better in general and I've lost weight is nice too.
I think for some people the anti saturated fats and/or animal products thing is a political ideology that they believe in a religious manner. It's the same with the urban vs suburban, bikes vs cars, type things have become. It can't be "whatever, you say 'potayto' I say 'potahto'; live and let live" for those people. If you disagree with them you're a heretic; an infidel that must be punished or converted or whatever. They lose all sense of perspective.
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Old 04-23-2014, 06:55 PM
 
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It would be a lot more credible if you posted studies from non biased sources.
I also think you misunderstand when I say whole grains. There are lots of whole grains that are not wheat, that are in fact very healthy.
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Old 04-23-2014, 06:59 PM
 
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It would be a lot more credible if you posted studies from non biased sources.
I also think you misunderstand when I say whole grains. There are lots of whole grains that are not wheat, that are in fact very healthy.
Where are your studies? Clinical studies, not observational studies....
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Old 04-23-2014, 07:02 PM
 
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Flax seed and veggies will give you all the fiber you need and not spike your blood sugar. Whole wheat has a higher GI than table sugar. Personally, I did enough damage to my metabolism eating whole wheat for years. Like I said, everyone eventually gets insulin resistance. My father-in-law was skinny as a rail until he was 60 eating whole grains and a low-fat diet. Then it went downhill and he developed Type 2 in less than 5 years time, without consuming extra calories. He's very chunky and slow now.

This is just 3 months for me. Citation on it being dangerous in the long run?
I get plenty of carbs in my diet. It's just that all my carbs come from non-starchy vegetables that's all. Cooked up in bacon grease or coconut oil of course.... Hell, I have about 20 freaking bags of veggies in my freezer right now. I eat more vegetables on paleo than I ever did on the Standard American Diet.
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Old 04-23-2014, 07:09 PM
 
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I get plenty of carbs in my diet. It's just that all my carbs come from non-starchy vegetables that's all. Cooked up in bacon grease or coconut oil of course.... Hell, I have about 20 freaking bags of veggies in my freezer right now. I eat more vegetables on paleo than I ever did on the Standard American Diet.
That's what distinguishes it from Atkins. The carbs from veggies are low glycemic, unlike whole wheat. I'm a pretty mellow guy so blood sugar spikes aren't my cup of tea.

That being said, I will enjoy a slice of two of SPROUTED wheat or rye once per day (Trader Joe's or Ezekiel). GI for this type of bread is in the range of 20-40 (http://www.diabetesforums.com/forum/...zekiel-breads/), half of whole wheat. If we could cultivate our own bacteria for sourdough to make bread, we'd happily have that as a snack also (open faced sandwich for example).

I'm more primal than Paleo. Paleo folks shy away from saturated fats. I do not.
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Old 04-23-2014, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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Where are your studies? Clinical studies, not observational studies....
Yeah, I didn't see any evidence for her blanket claim that high-fat diets are "dangerous in the long run."

I don't even need a study. Just some basic reasoning would suffice.
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Old 04-23-2014, 07:39 PM
 
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Yeah, I didn't see any evidence for her blanket claim that high-fat diets are "dangerous in the long run."

I don't even need a study. Just some basic reasoning would suffice.
The 60 year long Framingham study should be all you need to read:

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Paralleling the findings for total calories there is a slight negative association between daily intake of total fat (and also of animal fat) with serum cholesterol level, in men but not in women. This parallel is not surprising given the high correlation between fat intake and total caloric intake. No association between percent of calories from fat and serum cholesterol level was shown; nor between ratio of plant fat to animal fat intake and serum cholesterol level.
However, there is correlation in the low-fat, "zero-cholesterol" chemically extracted cooking oil, whole-wheat fad and diabetes and rise in heart disease nationwide. Whether causation exists is another story, but it's interesting nonetheless...
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