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Old 04-08-2009, 01:52 PM
 
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A clinical study out of the Medical college of Wisconsin and alo with the Wisconsin Childrens Hospital using a high fat and low to almost zero carbs (Ketogenic diet) improved kids with epilepsy by 90% reductions in their seizure frequency.

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Diet Of Whipping Cream, Butter, Vegetable Oil Can Help Control Epileptic Seizures In Many Children - Science Daily
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Old 04-08-2009, 03:35 PM
 
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I think they just have to be careful going overboard with the protein, severe over indulgence in just protein can cause ketosis...which does damage kidneys (sometimes liver). Balancing it with the fats and low low carbs stops it.
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Old 04-08-2009, 04:23 PM
 
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I think they just have to be careful going overboard with the protein, severe over indulgence in just protein can cause ketosis...which does damage kidneys (sometimes liver). Balancing it with the fats and low low carbs stops it.
Yeap that's why it's a high fat diet and not a high protein diet.
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Old 04-09-2009, 07:07 AM
 
Location: NoVa
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My seizures were getting pretty bad a few months or more ago and I took Keto for a whirl.

I stayed in ketosis but I could not handle all that high fat food and lack of vegetables.

Funny thing... I lost weight, but it did not help my seizures. We switched to atkins and still.... I just would rather eat veggies!

I do not think this was made for either adults, or my type of Epilepsy. It was hard to do but I stuck with it for a couple months.
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Old 04-09-2009, 09:07 AM
 
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They have been using this for years. Works well for me too. No vegetable oil though. The reason you have to keep your fat high is because too much protein can get converted to carbs via gluconeogenisis.
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Old 04-09-2009, 10:05 PM
 
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Carbs, proteins and fats are broken down to the same things for the body to "burn", just extra step to break the fatty acid down first....proteins break down to the same thing plus an extra nitrogen (that goes off and is a pain in the butt). They all become sugars after a fashion.

Humm, yeah when I saw the ketogenic it made me think of very high protein diets. I hear good things about the diet for seizure disorders, though also it either works really well or it's not much of an impact. I kind of wonder why it does have an impact on some and not on others, if it's differences in how the seizures are proigated or rebuilding cell membrane inhibitors.

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Old 04-10-2009, 07:25 AM
 
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Carbs, proteins and fats are broken down to the same things for the body to "burn", just extra step to break the fatty acid down first....proteins break down to the same thing plus an extra nitrogen (that goes off and is a pain in the butt). They all become sugars after a fashion.

Humm, yeah when I saw the ketogenic it made me think of very high protein diets. I hear good things about the diet for seizure disorders, though also it either works really well or it's not much of an impact. I kind of wonder why it does have an impact on some and not on others, if it's differences in how the seizures are proigated or rebuilding cell membrane inhibitors.
When carbs are kept very low for a period of time your body starts producing ketones where stored body fat is used for energy. Fat itself is not turned to carbs when the switch is made.
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Old 04-10-2009, 03:34 PM
 
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When carbs are kept very low for a period of time your body starts producing ketones where stored body fat is used for energy. Fat itself is not turned to carbs when the switch is made.
Yeap and when in ketosis it's a different path in the Krebs cycle as to how ATP is produced in the Mitochondria.

Also there was a NIH study using mice with ALS showing a Ketogenic diet helped them as it seems that being in ketosis helps the neurons but i haven't seen any human studies of this.

A ketogenic diet as a potential novel therapeutic ...[BMC Neurosci. 2006] - PubMed Result
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Old 04-10-2009, 05:11 PM
 
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Ketosis is very healthy. You have very little circulating insulin or triglycerides in the blood. Bodyfat will be kept very low and combined with exercise would be the healthiest one, two punch you could possibly do.
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