Why you never want to post FREE to a good home on Craigslist or any other swap site (puppies, fight)
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Stay on point.
Common vet care is not "out of the ordinary"
I suggest tha you do some deep reflection on what you think and why.
Perhaps in addition to the financial report that you add to the rescue application
you should also prepare a specific list of just how deep into the abilities of modern
veterinary care that you will expect anyone worthy of acceptance to volunteer to pay for.
If it appears to you that I am shifting the discussion it is because I am also responding to other comments you make in your post. Maybe you should stop posting those comments if you don't want discussion on them.
The post of mine you link: "Because the field of veterinary medicine has evolved to the point that there are now successful but costly treatments for diseases/issues that historically signaled continued discomfort or the demise of the dog. Some folks may elect to pass but others may desire to treat." was a direct answer to yours: "btw... why w/should "out of the ordinary" vet care be an expectation?"
Your question, as worded, was not why it should be expected that an adopter be able to pay for out of the ordinary vet care but why the care itself would or should be an expectation. I merely explained why. And added that some folks would choose to treat with options now available that have not been historically available while others wouldn't. Without casting any judgments on either choice.
I expect a high probability of being faced with a high cost treatment option for any one of our dogs simply because there exist today high tech, high cost treatments for common canine conditions such as ACL tears and cancer. If my dog tears an ACL I should expect a vet ortho specialist in my Midwestern urban area to quote me about $3500 to surgically repair it using today's most up-to-date and effective treatment. I may decide to take the surgical route advised or I may decide to try to medicate/rehabilitate my dog into an acceptable state of relatively low pain lameness. That's a personal choice.
If you assumed that I would consider it wrong for people to decide against spending thousands of dollars they do not have to treat their dog with today's high tech treatment options or that a potential adopter should be declined because they do not have the funds for such high tech care then you are guilty of putting words in my mouth. And you should stop that since that is completely counterproductive to any rational discussion.
I expect a high probability of being faced with a high cost treatment option
...because there exist today high tech, high cost treatments
I consider that rationale to be putting the cart before the horse.
Good for you that you're willing to do it.
My emergency/trauma care Vet friend needs people like you out there.
And who btw, says she understands my points here very clearly.
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If you assumed that I would consider it wrong for people to decide against spending (zip)
thousands to treat their dog with today's high tech treatment options or that a potential adopter
should be declined (zip) then...
I don't assume anything. I observe, read, assess and counter.
My objection here is to the "because they do not have the funds for such high tech care" qualifier.
Having the funds, which btw is NOT the issue, should be immaterial to the rest.
That such appears to NOT be immaterial ...is the basis for the rising vitriol.
I really don't want this to be at the personal level...
but someone as intelligent as you otherwise appear to be shouldn't have such
difficulty grasping the ideas or staying on point.
I consider that rationale to be putting the cart before the horse.
Good for you that you're willing to do it.
My emergency/trauma care Vet friend needs people like you out there.
And who btw, says she understands my points here very clearly.
I don't assume anything. I observe, read, assess and counter.
My objection here is to the "because they do not have the funds for such high tech care" qualifier.
Having the funds, which btw is NOT the issue, should be immaterial to the rest.
That such appears to NOT be immaterial ...is the basis for the rising vitriol.
I really don't want this to be at the personal level...
Yup. It is. Putting the cart before the horse is what we do when we buy insurance for things we value...our home, our health, etc. Some even buy insurance for their pets. The rationale I described is a similar mindset but just not going the actual insurance route.
Where did I write that I was willing to do that? I wrote: "I expect a high probability of being faced with a high cost treatment option for any one of our dogs simply because there exist today high tech, high cost treatments for common canine conditions such as ACL tears and cancer." We declined expensive cancer treatment for two of our dogs and chose instead palliative care. Perhaps your observe, read, assess and counter doesn't always work all that well.
I've never known an organized rescue group to use that qualifier you quote. Maybe some do. But I haven't seen even one post on this thread that states that qualifier is used by rescue groups so not sure where you get that. And you are the one who brought up rescues in this thread. Are you confusing this with another C-D thread?
As for getting personal, I did when I wrote: "Your tendency to consider an expensive purebred with papers to be more worthy of your financial obligation to their healthcare than a "rescue mutt" feels very wrong. Both dogs deserve the same degree of value as a companion. On that count alone and if I were in a position to do so, I would prolly not adopt out a rescue to you nor sell you a puppy." My apologies. Just to be clear, it had nothing to do with ability/willingness to pay for high tech vet care. It was your feeling that a purebred is an investment worthy of being protected and a mutt more like a "beater car". IMO a companion dog should be cherished as valuable and deserving of the same level of care no matter their origin/pricetag. And to be even more clear, that wasn't vitriol. Vitriol would be harsh, insulting and cruel language...worse than if I used a disparaging term to describe you for having that feeling. I didn't use either.
Since you asked so politely and at least offer a specific example: Yes.
I don't consider a broken leg or such to be an "out of the ordinary" responsibility.
And don't think anyone else with a pet would either.
Maybe it's just the semantics... but the phrasing used earlier, implying care of an entirely
different nature, really does warrant being described/listed specifically.
I was the one who used the term "out-of-the-ordinary vet care". By that, I meant things precisely like getting hit by a car or having floating knee-caps or needing special eye drops or getting pregnant or a dog that starts suddenly having accidents (which a simple blood test would reveal that antibiotics will fix). In other words, anything beyond shots. Not outrageously expensive stuff, just stuff not required by community laws.
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In my own experience the more realistic scenario is someone who wants a dog
that hasn't been touched by the 'rescue industry'.
btw... why w/should "out of the ordinary" vet care be an expectation?
So true. Adopting a dog from a rescue group these days can take over 6 months and hundreds of dollars and car mileage. I got my dog for free off of Craig's list. I was the first person to call, and i went over and got him, and that was 7 years ago. Giving your dog to a rescue group basically means the dog will stay in foster homes for months if not years until the foster group finally decides it has found the absolute perfect person.
If a person is determined to get rid of their dog, putting it on CL for free is better than them dumping it on the side of the road. That's the way I see it. Rescue groups are sometimes just in it for the rehoming fees, but not all rescues are like that.
Here is a great video demonstrating how to use counter conditioning. This dog is being conditioned to tolerate (and maybe even enjoy) blowing in his face to which he used to react aggressively. This approach can be used to easily change any negative emotion (such as anxiety or fear) to a positive emotion (such as tolerance or even enjoyment). Training Aggression | Videos | Dr. Sophia Yin, DVM, MS Dr. Yin has a bunch of great videos on her website...all fairly easy to understand and apply for the average dog owner.
It can be easier to understand how some might enjoy dog fighting when we realize that often these people place little value on any life, including human life. And that conflict/aggression is typically a normal aspect of their daily lives from childhood on up. Unbelievably sad and tragic.
But the heading of this thread, "Why you never want to post FREE to a good home on Craigslist or any other swap site" implies what I stated.
And here I sit in a hotel in Sparks NV, probably picking up a 2 year old that is listed as free to a good family. And the person is checking people out; not just letting the dog go for free. And it was posted as free to a good home. It took her over a month to make a decision; since arriving we are walking the dogs together, we are taking them to dog parks, we are driving around with them in the backseat or my PU truck to see how they react with each other. We are walking them tonight on a double leash connection in a very busy park to see how they walk and not only react to each other, but react as other dogs are passing by.
We are both making sure the dogs are good together and that I am the right person for the new dog.
Therefore, as there are unscrupulous people who pick up free dogs for nefarious acts, there are others who are not, and plan on spoiling this new dog, just like his current dog.
And after three days of me getting to know the dog, my dog getting to know the dog, the woman getting to know me and how I react with the dog and how my dog reacts with her dog; I left Reno with a new dog. I got to know Reno very well walking the dogs, the dogs played in dog parks to see how they react, etc.
We even had dinner at an outside restaurant that allowed the dogs to be tethered next to the table.
I do believe they make a great pair....
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