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I saw Cesar's show long before I saw Victoria's show. With Cesar, I learned about treating a shy fearful dog as invisible, and that helped a lot with dealing with my abused chocolate lab. And I also learned the importance of my being the alpha of my dog pack and keeping the dogs in their place as dogs and not giving them people status. And with Cesar's show, I took the tip about exuding positive happy energy around my dogs and not comforting them when they are afraid of something. Otherwise, Victoria's show has been overall more helpful to me with her use of positive behaviour reinforcement training with the use of treats.
I watch both when I can, I think both of them bring a lot to the table. Many times Cesar is dealing with "last chance" dogs who face possible euthanasia. Victoria generally deals with dogs with major disipline problems but have yet reached the "red zone". I think we can learn from both of their methods.
I agree 100%. I have met people who have loved and hated both shows, but I just think it all depends. Like you said, Cesar works more with the "red zone" type cases and Victoria works more on general training. I also think Cesar talks more about the "pack" and being the "pack leader", which I personally like. Both shows have helped my husband and I with our dogs so I have to say I like both.
I love Cesar. I think he makes so much sense...some things he teaches, I was already doing with my aggressive dog, out of instinct. Like making him walk behind me, making him stop watching/listening for something to bark at.
They both feel the problems are usually with the owners and not the dogs - I agree with this almost 100% of the time. I also appreciated learning from both of them that wearing a dog out with a lot of exercise helps with compliance.
I find that Cesar's pack philosophy (and pack leader attitude/aura) actually makes sense and works in the real world. For instance, my dog knows not to play her juvenile hokey pokey misbehaving games with me, is calmer with me on walks when cars go by, etc.
I like some of Victoria's aversion techniques. And I like how she encourages obedience training as a way to bond with your dog and establish clear-cut roles and rules.
The obedience and the alpha roll was taught to us by our obedience instructor years before either show came out, and I have to say it totally worked on our dog when she was a super-sassy puppy.
I like them both for different reasons. I feel empowered after watching Cesar-like I'm the boss. But like somebody else said, Victoria is more affectionate, and after watching her I realize how much I really do love my dog even if she is a handful at times. I like the tough love of Cesar and the gentle hand of Victoria. They should do a show together to show owners how to mesh both attitudes and still have a great dog.
They should do a show together to show owners how to mesh both attitudes and still have a great dog.
I wish they would. For now, I'm hooked on Cesar's method of defining your role as pack leader - it really makes sense to me, and I've seen an improvement in our 9 week old in the short time we've implemented it.
The realization that I'm the one at fault when my puppy rebels is sobering, though.
They certainly have more in common with their methodlogies than not. Both advocate exercise, not humanizing your dog, not praising at in-appropriate times and what I feel is the biggest of all...the dogs misbehavior is a result of the humans and their lack of working with the dog and letting them get away with stuff.
One of the things I learned from my horse trainer that certainly spills over to dog training is: the more exposure we have to a variety of techniques the better we are able to determine what works for you and your dog. For instance, I'm not a fan of clicker training...too gimiky for my tastes, but I am a fan of positive re-inforcment training - it worked with my horses and my dogs.
In the hopes of one day obtaining an AKC puppy to train and compete, I read books and magazines watch both shows and have gone to visit several dog trainers to watch them work...some I don't like some I do. Picking the right dog trainer is important and I always advocate going to watch them before shelling out $$$ to make sure they follow your methodology and temperment. When I was working horses I saw way too many people pay big fees to a trainer that was yelling and belittling a rider...Some trainers "get it" some don't but if they have a "name" many will follow blindly even tho it's not right for them.
Ultimately as a dog owner its our responsibility to have a well socilized well behaved dog that is a joy to be with.
The #1 reason I love him and his shows is he points out how the people are the problem not the animals.....he always has to train the owners! Such a great show for people to watch and learn!
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