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Old 07-31-2013, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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The world is a different place now than it was 30 years ago. Something the older "haves" aren't realizing or admitting. It's too easy to view those that are struggling as lazy, whining, or unmotivated and if only they would (fill in the blanks) like they did, the poor would prosper. It's part of the "I did it, why can't you?" mentality.

What people fail to see is that the playing field is not the same as it was years ago. My FIL worked in a factory his whole life, was able to buy a home, support 8 kids and a wife, and retired with a hefty pension, all on an 8th grade education. Not to mention he paid 8,000 for his home which he later sold for over $200,000. Those days are GONE.

When companies pay dirt poor wages despite record profits and when investors snap up homes for a song and then charge high rent, it makes it very difficult to do much more than live paycheck to paycheck. Yes, life choices have a lot to do with financial success in life, but you can't ignore the current economic atmosphere in this country, either. If it were so easy to get ahead, there would not be as many people hovering near or at poverty levels in the US.

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Old 07-31-2013, 08:56 AM
 
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That's nice. But it doesn't make it any less true. That's the problem with people like you. You sit around your entire life wanting other people to help you, then are bitter about it when the world doesn't recognize your brilliance. How does it feel to be a cliché?
Wherever this is, the water's fine on my end. Your not so humble post meanwhile served no relevant purpose whatsoever. To the extent that any of it was true to start out with, it was a one-off tale of no more value or validity than any other. It was actually just you taking the chance to say wonderful things about yourself. Big deal.
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Old 07-31-2013, 09:07 AM
 
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The world is a different place now than it was 30 years ago. Something the older "haves" aren't realizing or admitting. It's too easy to view those that are struggling as lazy, whining, or unmotivated and if only they would (fill in the blanks) like they did, the poor would prosper. It's part of the "I did it, why can't you?" mentality.
Most of those you describe are still just "have"-wannabes. Many of them fear that they themselves might be overtaken by anyone they agree to provide assistance to. The actual "haves" are far more likely to understand (and lament) the changes wrought by Reaganism and Romneyism these past 30-40 years and to be looking at ways to address the sorts of problems that have been created.
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Old 07-31-2013, 09:34 AM
 
Location: The Triad
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Being poor is like a vicious cycle...
It sure is and almost always starts at birth: being born into a poor household.

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it's extremley hard to get out of, despite what people say
And especially so without any of the common tools needed.

Did you finish high school? How were your grades?
What useful skills were you able to accumulate before turning age 18?
How about since turning 18?
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Old 07-31-2013, 09:38 AM
 
Location: The Triad
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What people fail to see is that the playing field is not the same as it was years ago.
Many things aren't as they were "years ago"

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My FIL worked in a factory his whole life, was able to buy a home,
support 8 kids and a wife, and retired with a hefty pension, all on an 8th grade education.
What are those 8 kids doing now?
And how many of them have also had so many children?
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Old 07-31-2013, 09:42 AM
 
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As long as you think you are POOR, then so shall it be. Once you begin to first see yourself as merely broke and then to have the gratitude to raise your energetic vibration, you will start to see yourself as wealthy. And then you will begin to effortlessly attract that which you desire.
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Old 07-31-2013, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Illinois
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You're right, but wait till The Bootstrappers get here...
Bootstrappers vs an Obamabot troll. I'd bet on the bootstrappers.
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Old 07-31-2013, 10:52 AM
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You cannot afford anything you you like, even though you work harder than most and deserve more!

Being poor is like a vicious cycle, it's extremley hard to get out of, despite what people say.

What skills do you have that others don't? Identify those and then sell them for the best price you can get. If all you have are minimum wage skills, then you need to get more arrows in your quiver. Start now. Alternatively, start your own business. Those are the two options.
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Old 07-31-2013, 10:56 AM
 
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You cannot afford anything you you like, even though you work harder than most and deserve more!

Being poor is like a vicious cycle, it's extremley hard to get out of, despite what people say.

Why, exactly, do you deserve more? What added value do you bring to the workplace or to your job or to humanity that entitles you to "more"? If you do not have anything to contribute (skills, knowledge, special abilities, superpowers, whatever) that offers more, then why should you receive more? What is going undone at your workplace? Do that, get good at it. What skills pay well in your world? Acquire those skills, get good at them. What needs to be done that no one wants to do? Do that, get good at it. Those are just a few very simplistic examples of what will lead to receiving "more". You have to have "more" to offer.
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Old 07-31-2013, 11:08 AM
 
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You cannot afford anything you you like, even though you work harder than most and deserve more!

Being poor is like a vicious cycle, it's extremley hard to get out of, despite what people say.
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Why, exactly, do you deserve more? What added value do you bring to the workplace or to your job or to humanity that entitles you to "more"? If you do not have anything to contribute (skills, knowledge, special abilities, superpowers, whatever) that offers more, then why should you receive more? What is going undone at your workplace? Do that, get good at it. What skills pay well in your world? Acquire those skills, get good at them. What needs to be done that no one wants to do? Do that, get good at it. Those are just a few very simplistic examples of what will lead to receiving "more". You have to have "more" to offer.
First of all, "simplistic," is considered a negative form of the word SIMPLE, so I am sure you just meant the latter.

What does a "supervisor" who sits on his butt all day at a desk, chomps on cigars, posts online about his "staff" and about parasites living off the system bring to the table? The idea that people who make more money automatically work harder, are more intelligent, are more skillful is a dirty lie. There are many people who are dishonest, cruel, cunning and they get "ahead." But this is a short life, no matter how long it turns out to be. So it really doesn't matter.

However...I do believe that everyone gets what they think they deserve. The stoopid, arrogant, lazy, dishonest boss will attract more $$$ just because s/he thinks s/he deserves it! The kind-hearted, hard-working person making chump change has it within their consciousness that life is a struggle and you have to work hard for little pay. Change your thoughts and change your life!
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