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Old 10-09-2014, 06:07 AM
 
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Provide proof of this claim!
So Obama lied?

As it turns out, yes, yes he did..
Government Study Finds Obama Care Leaves Thirty Million Uninsured - Forbes

In fact, this was the number cited by President Obama during the campaign for the Affordable Care Act. (He got it wrong at 30 million but then quickly raised it to 36 million).

We currently have 41 million uninsured, and thats AFTER the newest drop from 46 million..

We now have MORE uninsured that before..

Its projected to fall back to where it started at 30 million but thats going to take YEARS..

Bravo.. You've uninsured millions of americans, added millions more to the uninsured, and the net result after a decade, is where you started at, which is 30 million uninsured..

COMPLETE FAILURE..
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Old 10-09-2014, 06:09 AM
 
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obamacare isnt free

What part of this are you having difficulty with? The part where I post FACTS, that you didnt know about because your an Obama supporter?

I find most Obama supporters dont have any facts at all, so this is nothing new.

Wait till the new employer mandates finish kicking in..

Wal Mart just kicked 30 thousand off insurance
Target, Home Depot, UPS all are dropping people from their insurance

Others like Jet Blue and Fedex are seriously reducing insurance benefits

And people like you celebrate its a success.
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Old 10-09-2014, 06:16 AM
 
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If 17 million lost their insurance due to AHC it would be on Fox News 24 hours a day. Yet, not a single hit on Google.
Thats because you're googling the wrong numbers

https://www.google.com/search?q=25+m...macare+victims
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Old 10-09-2014, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Fort Payne Alabama
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For a plan that was supposed to cover EVERY american, it falls very short, and people like you celebrate it as a success
Not commenting on the rest but the ACA does fall short, the main reason is that 21 states are not expanding Medicaid leaving this large group of our population still uninsured. This was not in the original plan of trying to insure all Americans.
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Old 10-09-2014, 08:41 AM
 
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obamacare isnt free

What part of this are you having difficulty with? The part where I post FACTS, that you didnt know about because your an Obama supporter?

I find most Obama supporters dont have any facts at all, so this is nothing new.

Wait till the new employer mandates finish kicking in..

Wal Mart just kicked 30 thousand off insurance
Target, Home Depot, UPS all are dropping people from their insurance

Others like Jet Blue and Fedex are seriously reducing insurance benefits

And people like you celebrate its a success.

I have sat in meetings where it was mandated that we hire only part-time workers specifically due to the AHCA's premiums.

But, I "don't know how employers and healthcare work".

I am a Democrat, but that does not mean that I am blind to Obama's faults.
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Old 10-09-2014, 08:43 AM
 
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Not commenting on the rest but the ACA does fall short, the main reason is that 21 states are not expanding Medicaid leaving this large group of our population still uninsured. This was not in the original plan of trying to insure all Americans.
The CBO stated that we will never get below 30 million uninsured americans even if every state expanded medicaid.

The reason 21 states so far havent expanded Medicaid is because there is no money in the budgets to pay for it. While the federal government starts off payin 100% of the tab, this dwindles as time goes on..

What the administration didnt plan on was that people who had budgets stretched and faced with higher premiums would cancel their policies and choose to go without. Some might argue that was the plan all along because the only way to fund the subsidies is to tax others, and the huge part of ACA is simply a tax, for those without.

They ran around telling the public that every american needs insurance so they needed to pass ACA while they were hoping all along that a large segment of the country went without because thats the only way it can be paid for..
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Old 10-09-2014, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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Take a hypothetical situation. A 55 year old man is living in Los Angeles or San Francisco, he is able to earn $60,000/yr. works for a small company that does not offer health. He makes way too much money (over 400% of the poverty level) to qualify for any discount but $60k/yr is not a whole lot of money in LA. I see that even the Bronze plan is in the neighborhood of $450/month, is someone who makes $60k/yr mandated to spend $450/mo. on health insurance? The alternative is to pay the penalty but that's $1500 with nothing to show for it.

And with health insurance increasing at a rate of 10-15% annually what is going to happen in 5-10 years?

This idea sucks! The whole idea was cost control of health care and insurance and that is clearly not happening. The insurance is still ridiculously expensive.. and those that earn over $45k are required to buy it themselves and those under well, the taxpayer will cover it. LOL! What was expected is that insurance and health care become *AFFORDABLE* not subsidize and mandate purchase of ridiculously expensive and overpriced products and services.

Mandating someone who makes $60k in a super high cost area to buy $6000 worth of insurance yearly is asinine. As it is people can't get by or save for the future with escalating costs and stagnating wages... is this ridiculous requirement even feasible long term?

Even the employer mandate is a joke... employers are simply required to provide health insurance, not *affordable* health insurance. Yes, they can provide the same $450/mo. policy with employee paying 100%, what does that solve?
POTUS won't enforce that part of HIS healthcare law and one of the other two branches should be holding his feet to the fire for being derelict in duty.

The best part is the employer who doesn't provide healthcare will be fined a paltry amount for not doing so. Employers know the fine is cheaper than coverage - what would you do? Yep, their employees will be at the communal ACA well drawing upon the system to cover them.

Now you know why most American citizens will be totally against it if not already. Insurance companies - who are the richest of any - are going to rape the citizens at that point.
We insure everything in life. Our health, teeth, cars, house, and anything else under the sun. Even the US federal government pays to insure stuff. Ergo...insurance companies have one of the steadiest cashflows of any business other than oil companies.
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Old 10-09-2014, 02:40 PM
 
Location: TN/NC
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POTUS won't enforce that part of HIS healthcare law and one of the other two branches should be holding his feet to the fire for being derelict in duty.

The best part is the employer who doesn't provide healthcare will be fined a paltry amount for not doing so. Employers know the fine is cheaper than coverage - what would you do? Yep, their employees will be at the communal ACA well drawing upon the system to cover them.

Now you know why most American citizens will be totally against it if not already. Insurance companies - who are the richest of any - are going to rape the citizens at that point.
We insure everything in life. Our health, teeth, cars, house, and anything else under the sun. Even the US federal government pays to insure stuff. Ergo...insurance companies have one of the steadiest cashflows of any business other than oil companies.
The whole point is to overload the welfare systems.
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Old 10-09-2014, 10:25 PM
 
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So Obama lied?

As it turns out, yes, yes he did..
Government Study Finds Obama Care Leaves Thirty Million Uninsured - Forbes

In fact, this was the number cited by President Obama during the campaign for the Affordable Care Act. (He got it wrong at 30 million but then quickly raised it to 36 million).

We currently have 41 million uninsured, and thats AFTER the newest drop from 46 million..

We now have MORE uninsured that before..

Its projected to fall back to where it started at 30 million but thats going to take YEARS..

Bravo.. You've uninsured millions of americans, added millions more to the uninsured, and the net result after a decade, is where you started at, which is 30 million uninsured..

COMPLETE FAILURE..
What a total failure of reading comprehension!

The article says that after 10 years we will still have 30 million uninsured, not that we started with 30 million uninsured as you keep fabricating. And since the article in Forbes has not come to pass yet, it is simply one more opinion.

Provide a study or credible stat that shows at what point in time the US had 30 million uninsured. And it needs to be in context i.e "adults over 18" or "all Americans".

Enough BS, where's the beef?
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Old 10-09-2014, 10:28 PM
 
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obamacare isnt free

What part of this are you having difficulty with? The part where I post FACTS, that you didnt know about because your an Obama supporter?

I find most Obama supporters dont have any facts at all, so this is nothing new.

Wait till the new employer mandates finish kicking in..

Wal Mart just kicked 30 thousand off insurance
Target, Home Depot, UPS all are dropping people from their insurance

Others like Jet Blue and Fedex are seriously reducing insurance benefits

And people like you celebrate its a success.
You have not posted a single fact, study or reference! None!
Oped pieces from partisan sources does not constitute proof to any rational person.


It seems your entire approach is to fabricate stories and spew insults.

Wash, rinse, repeat!

Companies dropping/reducing their own employes insurance has been happening for 20 years. It is how they boost profits at the expense of workers. Nothing new there!
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