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Old 01-15-2015, 06:31 AM
 
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Originally Posted by SarasotaBound1 View Post
The way to do it is by empowering the lower classes to increase productivity, thereby pushing themselves up, without pulling the rich and middle class down.

1) end collective bargaining.
2) end all subsidies to all private industries.
3) slash state payroll by half and taxes accordingly.
4) limit items that could be purchased by snap debit cards to veggies, rice, beans.
5) repeal the gun ban and allow gun ownership as pet second amendment.
6) void pension benefits going forward.

This would incentivise people to produce. Productivity is what improves our quality of life.
None of that does much.


Give the poor a gauranteed $1000 per month and force
them into job training instead of telling them to go get
a job at McDonalds like that's gonna help everyone in the
long run.

But it will not happen though because the name of the
game in this country is to simply exploit the poor and
blame/hate them for being poor. After all since the pigs
have made it in life then everyone should be able to right?
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Old 01-15-2015, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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You should introduce different form of taxation. Not rich people paying tax to government only, but every rich (income which is more than certain level) should pay tax to the poor around them. ..
I agree completely. Let's set that "certain level" to be $1 more than I earn.
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Old 01-15-2015, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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The way to do it is by empowering the lower classes to increase productivity, thereby pushing themselves up, without pulling the rich and middle class down.

1) end collective bargaining. <== this would dry up campaign contributions
2) end all subsidies to all private industries. <== this would dry up campaign contributions
3) slash state payroll by half and taxes accordingly. <== this would dry up campaign contributions
4) limit items that could be purchased by snap debit cards to veggies, rice, beans. <== this would dry up campaign contributions
5) repeal the gun ban and allow gun ownership as pet second amendment. <== this would dry up campaign contributions
6) void pension benefits going forward. <== this would dry up campaign contributions

This would incentivise people to produce. Productivity is what improves our quality of life.
Yeah, I can see lots and lots of politicians voting for the above list.
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Old 01-15-2015, 03:49 PM
 
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I agree completely. Let's set that "certain level" to be $1 more than I earn.
That will be great at least jobless people don't have to sleep on the street and next time when you loose job there is always a guarantee that someone is there to help you. And if you make excuse that everyone will become lazy and will stop working, that is lame excuse-your hand may stop working but you cannot stop your stomach and hunger, so no matter what will happen to the world, human has to work (in any form) to keep stomach fill, only those cunning, rich, filthy, lazy people are designing those form of work game "Modern Slavery" to exploit other and get benefits. To accumulate resources, which they never need and never use but not allowing others to take benefits.(Remember you will die one day -Universal Truth, none of these resources you can take with you)
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Old 01-15-2015, 07:04 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Originally Posted by SarasotaBound1 View Post
The way to do it is by empowering the lower classes to increase productivity, thereby pushing themselves up, without pulling the rich and middle class down.

1) end collective bargaining.
2) end all subsidies to all private industries.
3) slash state payroll by half and taxes accordingly.
4) limit items that could be purchased by snap debit cards to veggies, rice, beans.
5) repeal the gun ban and allow gun ownership as pet second amendment.
6) void pension benefits going forward.

This would incentivise people to produce. Productivity is what improves our quality of life.
Productivity is higher than ever due to technology but it's not.resulting in more or better paying jobs in developed countries.
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Old 01-15-2015, 07:20 PM
 
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That will be great at least jobless people don't have to sleep on the street and next time when you loose job there is always a guarantee that someone is there to help you. And if you make excuse that everyone will become lazy and will stop working, that is lame excuse-your hand may stop working but you cannot stop your stomach and hunger, so no matter what will happen to the world, human has to work (in any form) to keep stomach fill, only those cunning, rich, filthy, lazy people are designing those form of work game "Modern Slavery" to exploit other and get benefits. To accumulate resources, which they never need and never use but not allowing others to take benefits.(Remember you will die one day -Universal Truth, none of these resources you can take with you)
Lol.

So I work 60 hour days and pay 40% of my income in various federal, state, and county taxes...and will then be forced to give more to people in the area?

I would just cut my hours to get under this magic threshold.
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Old 01-15-2015, 08:15 PM
 
Location: North East
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None of that does much.


Give the poor a gauranteed $1000 per month and force
them into job training instead of telling them to go get
a job at McDonalds like that's gonna help everyone in the
long run.

But it will not happen though because the name of the
game in this country is to simply exploit the poor and
blame/hate them for being poor. After all since the pigs
have made it in life then everyone should be able to right?
I'll take you up on this guaranteed income thing. Let's make it a 1 million a year guaranteed income instead.

Do you think that will grow the supply of food, housing, clothing, etc.?

It won't, at best, the supply of those things stay constant. At worst, the producers will decrease their output or close the doors when their real incomes dwindle, inflation will make sure of that.

So ask yourself, would you be motivated to work if you had an income? Would producers be motivated to produce if the government kept stealing their gains by inflating it away.

Your proposal would do exactly the opposite of what you think it would do. The proposal I posted would motivate the poor, the middle class and producers.

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Old 01-15-2015, 08:19 PM
 
Location: North East
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Yeah, I can see lots and lots of politicians voting for the above list.
I agree with you. It's the reason the middle class has been decimated, while the poor take it easy and the rich get richer. It also does wonders for politicians.

The poor and rich would quickly notice and it would show up in votes/support. The middle class is too busy holding 2 jobs.
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Old 01-15-2015, 08:31 PM
 
Location: North East
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Productivity is higher than ever due to technology but it's not.resulting in more or better paying jobs in developed countries.
Ahhh. Notice what you just said. Productivity is higher but it is not resulting in BETTER paying jobs.

Let me ask you, why do you need higher paying jobs? Shouldn't prices be lower if technology/productivity is higher since it would lead to increased supplies?

It hasn't because politicians are scam artists and people don't care. We have been fed this socialist utopia for decades, decades later we are worst off. Well, guess what? There are now more socialist/communist than ever. Check the GOP is full of them. I mean, look at Boehner. He huffs and puffs and always gives in to the democrats demands. Isn't that convenient?

The reason productivity hasn't improved our quality of life is because it's being given away to the poor. You see, for the rich to sell more, more clients is better. Well, the government hands away the middle classes money - voila, more clients, plus the politicians get credit for "helping" the poor. They just don't mention the fact the they are creating more poor people - ex middle class folks.

And quite honestly, the majority of the middle class is too either too stupid, tired to realize that this socialist nonsense doesn't work.

The same was said about jobs and productivity when the car replaced the horse buggie.

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Old 01-15-2015, 11:48 PM
 
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I'll take you up on this guaranteed income thing. Let's make it a 1 million a year guaranteed income instead.

Do you think that will grow the supply of food, housing, clothing, etc.?

It won't, at best, the supply of those things stay constant. At worst, the producers will decrease their output or close the doors when their real incomes dwindle, inflation will make sure of that.

So ask yourself, would you be motivated to work if you had an income? Would producers be motivated to produce if the government kept stealing their gains by inflating it away.

Your proposal would do exactly the opposite of what you think it would do. The proposal I posted would motivate the poor, the middle class and producers.
It's amazing that this person who said he wanted to force the poor into job-training programs accuse others of hating the poor. Know you hate the poor. You want to force the poor job training programs. Those should be voluntary.if you really want to pour to get a job you don't provide the kind of social welfare as A handout.

We should leave it open for the poor to decide what they want to do. They can choose to work full-time part-time three quarters or a quarter. This gives them the flexibility to decide how much it is that they want to earn and what kind of life that they want to live. However by giving them a set handouts and forcing them to work, you are setting up a arbitrary one size fits all kind of work structure that will not fit many peoples lives. It is a forceful. This is what's truly against the poor and the political left today just do not see it
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