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Old 05-14-2015, 07:59 AM
 
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Do you honestly think that every single person on some type of welfare is just lazy?
So they are content to just collect welfare? If not then do something about it. It's really that simple.
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Old 05-14-2015, 08:03 AM
 
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Went over your head.
LOL! I hardly think so. Plainly put, taxing something does NOT necessarily result in LESS of it being provided, nor do subsidies necessarily act in the opposite direction.

As I said, if only economics were as simple as Reagan was.
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Old 05-14-2015, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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If someone is gaming the system then yes, that should be investigated.
Why is that even a question that needs to be asked?
Do you honestly think that every single person on some type of welfare is just lazy?

And if everyone on welfare for reasons other than health were suddenly released into the workforce, what would that do to the other workers? You don't think that businesses would do everything they could to take advantage of an even larger worker surplus? What do you think that these welfare recipients would DO if they no longer received benefits and couldn't get jobs?
I honestly think with that poster it is typical bootstrap BS. If you don't try to improve yourself for any reason even legitimate, you are lazy.

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So they are content to just collect welfare? If not then do something about it. It's really that simple.
Just as I thought...
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Old 05-14-2015, 09:11 AM
 
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I honestly think with that poster it is typical bootstrap BS. If you don't try to improve yourself for any reason even legitimate, you are lazy.

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Just as I thought...
No, not really. But if you are unhappy with your situation, you have a choice. Do something that improves your circumstances or don't. If you choose not do to anything then of course your situation won't improve. If don't try to improve yourself to improve your situation then are expecting others to do it for you, then yes, you are lazy.

You want something but unwilling to do something about it.

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Old 05-14-2015, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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If don't try to improve yourself to improve your situation then are expecting others to do it for you, then yes, you are lazy.
I wonder where you get this "information" that causes you to be so upset about people getting welfare? Most likely you plug into a "news" channel that excels in feeding you BS that pushes your buttons.

IME adults who are not physically disabled and have no dependents get food stamps only. What is that, $150/mo?

If you are concerned about "welfare moms", I don't know too much about that, except that their are a lot of programs developed over the last couple decades to encourage these women to work and educate themselves. It's still a huge mess, and an expensive one, but if you drill down to the details I think you'd find there are a lot less "welfare moms" gaming the system, than their are women who very much want to get out of it.

Bottom line is that less than 8% of total government spending goes to welfare. The amount on a %GDP basis hasn't gone up since 1975.

Meanwhile you ignore the real thing that keeps you from getting ahead. It's the fact that all of the US economic gains since 1975 have gone to a tiny fraction of the population. All I know is that the ones who got it are mega rich, because the *real* increase in income for the top .01% was 700%!. As Major Barbara pointed out earlier median wages would be nearly double what that are now, if we had the same distribution that existed in 1975. Instead of making what ever you are now, you'd be making twice as much.

You probably didn't here that on the "news". Any ideas why not?
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Old 05-14-2015, 11:42 AM
 
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I wonder where you get this "information" that causes you to be so upset about people getting welfare? Most likely you plug into a "news" channel that excels in feeding you BS that pushes your buttons.

IME adults who are not physically disabled and have no dependents get food stamps only. What is that, $150/mo?

If you are concerned about "welfare moms", I don't know too much about that, except that their are a lot of programs developed over the last couple decades to encourage these women to work and educate themselves. It's still a huge mess, and an expensive one, but if you drill down to the details I think you'd find there are a lot less "welfare moms" gaming the system, than their are women who very much want to get out of it.

Bottom line is that less than 8% of total government spending goes to welfare. The amount on a %GDP basis hasn't gone up since 1975.

Meanwhile you ignore the real thing that keeps you from getting ahead. It's the fact that all of the US economic gains since 1975 have gone to a tiny fraction of the population. All I know is that the ones who got it are mega rich, because the *real* increase in income for the top .01% was 700%!. As Major Barbara pointed out earlier median wages would be nearly double what that are now, if we had the same distribution that existed in 1975. Instead of making what ever you are now, you'd be making twice as much.

You probably didn't here that on the "news". Any ideas why not?
Uhm, if you read my posts did you notice I never say anything against truly disabled so your post is BS. And yes, it is against baby mama's and dead beat daddy's who think nothing of making more babies to different baby daddies, being on the dole then demanding that other people pay more. Then teaching their kids that society owes them. And why would she teach her kids that? Because she is angry? She did it to herself and her kids. She needs to take a look in the mirror and blame herself.
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Old 05-14-2015, 11:42 AM
 
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Minimum wage here is more than double... $12.25 and hour is law with many pushing toward $15...

In the 70's I was making $2 an hour and my first job paid $50 a week and I was in Junior High...
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Old 05-14-2015, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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And yes, it is against baby mama's and dead beat daddy's who think nothing of making more babies to different baby daddies, being on the dole then demanding that other people pay more.
Asked you questions and gave you some facts. What is your response?
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Old 05-14-2015, 12:15 PM
 
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Minimum wage here is more than double... $12.25 and hour is law with many pushing toward $15...

In the 70's I was making $2 an hour and my first job paid $50 a week and I was in Junior High...
That $2 is $12.20 today.
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Old 05-14-2015, 12:23 PM
 
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I come up with a lower number...

$2 in 1974 would be $8.78 today which is much less than the $12.25 Oakland minimum wage today.
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