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Old 05-12-2015, 11:04 AM
 
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Uhhh.....managers not in the same city....that is not new.

The US will still lead the world in software and related technology for a long time. The workers in India, Russia, and other IT-rich countries still don't do primary design and research. The one thing Apple makes in the US is software.

As energy costs rise, transportation becomes a more significant part of manufactured product's cost. The economics of offshore work doesn't stay constant. Some work will shift back to the US, while others won't.

There is a bunch of NEW auto manufacturing in the US. It just isn't done by UAW workers.
My employer has been without an onsite manager physically present for almost a year... 2 out of 4 department heads have left... exhausting all accumulated time and sick leave and on the day they are scheduled to return are missing in action... I know, because I have packed up their offices when they don't come back...

It's almost like one huge experiment... people leave and are not replaced except front line workers and then offered part time positions.
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Old 05-12-2015, 11:24 AM
 
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It's not about punishing anyone.

Sooner or later, we're all going to have to start taking responsibility for the society we're living in or it's going to fall apart, and the wealthy are in a better position to do that.

If they're unwilling to take an interest in improving society for the majority, then they need to be motivated to do so.
Yea, we can start with the people soaking the tax payer take responsibility for their own.
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Old 05-12-2015, 11:30 AM
 
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I used to work for a Fortune 500 company. Several years ago, they made a big deal of going to a "Pay for Performance" format. Your yearly bonus (if any) would be determined by your performance for the year. This was also a time when annual raises had not been seen for a while, because the company could not afford them due to the economic conditions.

Then a new company President was hired. He immediately received several million stock options and 250,000 shares of company stock (worth about $5 million). That was before he had performed even one day on the job.

The rules have always been different for the people at the top. Kind of hard for me to see them as being "punished"
So punish small business owners who doesn't have stock options to offer their owners because of the Fortune 500 company, now that's stupid and shows you don't have a clue what was done.
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Old 05-12-2015, 11:51 AM
 
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Clearly we are not on the same page... I can only relate my experiences of 30+ years managing residential rentals in the San Francisco Bay Area... nothing more or less.
Many of your rambling personal-testimony posts are simply indistinguishable from fairy tales. The simple facts are that welfare recipients typically graduate from whatever programs they end up qualifying for. Sadly a society too driven by self-absorbed and uncaring sorts keeps dumping new cases into the system to replace them.
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Old 05-12-2015, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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It's not about punishing anyone.

Sooner or later, we're all going to have to start taking responsibility for the society we're living in or it's going to fall apart, and the wealthy are in a better position to do that.

If they're unwilling to take an interest in improving society for the majority, then they need to be motivated to do so.
The bleeding hearts who always whine about "mankind", "humanity", "society" and "common good" invariably have plans for someone else's hard-earned income, and need the means to steal it.

Let "society" fall apart: those with any degree of motivation will find a way to take care of themselves -- AND the people they belong to who aren't capable of as much, but are still trying to play by the rules.

That leaves only the criminal/gang/drug element, and the entitlement-obsessed losers on the outside. We can sustain the latter only if they wake up and realize that some of the hard choices are the only ones they've got -- and deserve. The former can simply fall through the cracks -- and splatter hard enough that they won't get back up.
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Old 05-12-2015, 12:14 PM
 
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The bleeding hearts who always whine about "mankind", "humanity", "society" and "common good" invariably have plans for someone else's hard-earned income, and need the means to steal it.
The bleeding hearts think nothing of bringing children into poverty and a fatherless household then claim they care about the children.

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Old 05-12-2015, 12:50 PM
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Location: Middle Tennessee
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I wonder if those who are angry all the time with life around them, find it to be tiring after a while. Or maybe they actually enjoy always being outraged about something.
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Old 05-12-2015, 01:05 PM
 
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The comparison isn't valid; the department store chains which operated the lunch counters were involved in interstate commerce. Same rules applied to the bus companies which figured in the freedom rides.
Your understandings of both history and the Commerce Clause are woefully thin. Segregation itself was trumpeted as a free-exercise reflection of God's will that the races be separate. Hateful Christian universities believed that they could deny a right to inter-racial dating as a matter of free-exercise. Bigots and other retrogrades in Bible Belt states thought they could simply outlaw inter-racial marriage. None of these atrocities was undone via the Commerce Clause.

Religious rights in this country are meanwhile an individual thing. They end at the tips of your fingers. You are not allowed to reach out and touch someone who finds your beliefs repugnant and your advances unwelcome. The civil rights of others will easily outweigh and trump your petty and pitifully self-serving claims of religious discrimination. Whacked-out God-freaks simply need to learn their own place and limits.

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The entire procedure was simply dreamed up by militant Left-leaning lawyers...
Stow the swill, dude. This is all the ACLJ, the Rutherford Institute, the Liberty and Regent University Law Schools, and all the other twist-the-lawbooks hacks and huckters that right-wing money can buy. Remember how they attacked Affirmative Action and trumped up an individual right to keep and bear arms out of thin air? This is all more of the same cobbled up right-wing bullcrap. You aren't fooling anyone with your flim-flam turn-the-tables cow pies.

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The "commerce clause" of the U S Constitution (Article I, Section 8, Clause 3) was originally intended as a free trade measure -- prohibiting any state to impose tariffs and other obstacles against the produce of another state.
LOLOLOLOL!!! It was originally intended to establish the absolute supremacy of federal powers over any form of or matter related to interstate or international commerce. The federal government under the Articles of Confederation could not be counted on by trade partners to speak for the country as a whole. Ratification of the US Constitution slammed the door on all that simpering state quibbling and meddling, and quite rightfully so. Your peckish notions to the contrary are exquisitely soft-boiled and half-baked.
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Old 05-12-2015, 02:06 PM
 
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I'm not into punishing anyone. But using GE as an example,Making millions and paying no taxes?(Obamas buddy) Or the big companies that shut down factories,Than build one overseas and then produce there and wish to sell here.They should have a tax or something leveled on them.
Our country can't compete with such cheap labor they have in other countries.
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Old 05-12-2015, 04:30 PM
 
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So punish small business owners who doesn't have stock options to offer their owners because of the Fortune 500 company, now that's stupid and shows you don't have a clue what was done.
You completely missed the posters point with your tirade.
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