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Old 07-13-2015, 11:55 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this one!

Recently, I read China wants to allow parents to have 2 children, but 69% of those polled claimed they weren't interested in having another child, and the younger people simply don't want any children, period!

I see falling fertility rates all over the world, even Mexico falling to 2.0, and a healthy fertility rate is 2.1, and I recently read that Iran is even trying hard to reverse a fertility rate decline there.

I know excess population results in worker exploitation, more destruction to the environment, but who's to say, even with fewer people in the world, the environmental destruction will not continue.

Yes, there are parts of Africa where the fertility rate is still up there around 6.0/7.0, but how many of those being born there will even attend their 1st birthday party or their 12th birthday party!

What kind of scenario's do you see being played out, in the world, economically, if these fertility rates continue to fall? Will China, Japan (1.2 rate) and South Korea (1.3 rate) provide some of the answers?
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Old 07-14-2015, 05:46 AM
 
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They'll have no choice. Unlike the US with its years of immigration, China, Japan, and South Korea are now locked into higher and higher dependent-to-worker ratios going forward. It's not clear how or if they will actually be able to deal with that.
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Old 07-14-2015, 08:54 AM
 
Location: TN/NC
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That's below the rate of replacement. Demand for workers is probably going to be lower in the future due to increasing automation and robotics, so a reduced population combined with less of a need for human labor will probably lead to waffling around no net change.
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Old 07-14-2015, 09:35 AM
 
Location: North Idaho
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Slightly below the rate of replacement is good. The population is already more than the planet can support, so a slow reduction of the population is a good thing.

Two children are about all a family can support and educate. If those children are likely to survive to adulthood, that's all a family needs. Huge numbers of children are only a benefit when the majority of them die in infancy. As the population of the world becomes more prosperous, there is no need to produce a child every year.
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Old 07-14-2015, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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What kind of scenario's do you see being played out, in the world, economically, if these fertility rates continue to fall?
Much lower population is the future. The best we can hope for is that it will happen naturally rather than being forced. //www.city-data.com/forum/econo...verything.html
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Old 07-14-2015, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Inland Northwest
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The overall population of the earth is increasing.

Economically? Those 3rd worlders have to go somewhere right? They'll come to the 1st world and increase their consumption, increase pollution, and continue to have high birthrates until (hopefully) education, family planning and birth control finally slow then down. But how long will that take? What's the birthrate like here in America for our Hipanic immigrants? They've been here for a while now, is it slowing down?

NPR insists that Europe needs to provide for their African and ME immigrants, and only in fantasy land is that a positive. Do they make it to their 1st birthday or even to their 12th? Oh yeah, they certainly do that! For one example look at Niger's population since 1990.

At least we'll have lots of cheap labor for us (China in Africa FTW!) to exploit.

More people = more pollution.
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Old 07-14-2015, 11:18 AM
 
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What's the birthrate like here in America for our Hipanic immigrants? They've been here for a while now, is it slowing down?
Yes. In fact virtually all of the recent declines in US fertility rates have come from our minority populations. The rate for white folks has been more or less flat for a good while.
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Old 07-14-2015, 11:22 AM
 
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I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this one!

Recently, I read China wants to allow parents to have 2 children, but 69% of those polled claimed they weren't interested in having another child, and the younger people simply don't want any children, period!

I see falling fertility rates all over the world, even Mexico falling to 2.0, and a healthy fertility rate is 2.1, and I recently read that Iran is even trying hard to reverse a fertility rate decline there.

I know excess population results in worker exploitation, more destruction to the environment, but who's to say, even with fewer people in the world, the environmental destruction will not continue.

Yes, there are parts of Africa where the fertility rate is still up there around 6.0/7.0, but how many of those being born there will even attend their 1st birthday party or their 12th birthday party!

What kind of scenario's do you see being played out, in the world, economically, if these fertility rates continue to fall? Will China, Japan (1.2 rate) and South Korea (1.3 rate) provide some of the answers?
In my opinion, Infertility is God's way of saying, STOP IT!

I'm infertile and I couldn't care less. I adopted my husband's kids instead.

If people would stop trying to play God to have their own little mini-me, and adopt these kids that don't have parents, this world would be a much better place.
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Old 07-14-2015, 12:15 PM
 
Location: The Triad
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Lower population numbers will increase the wage value of the remaining population.
That will shift wealth back to the middle classes.

The issue is in limiting the birth reduction effect to the lowest quintile.
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Old 07-14-2015, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Inland Northwest
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Yes. In fact virtually all of the recent declines in US fertility rates have come from our minority populations. The rate for white folks has been more or less flat for a good while.
Is there a good birthrate that everyone can agree on? What might it be? Who/How does it get enforced?
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