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Sideline the religious and their efforts to grow.
Sideline the liberal and their efforts to enable that growth.
We already have too many people. The US and everywhere else.
Those inclined to self regulate levels have mostly done so already.
This growth problem is ACUTE at the no/low skill net consumer end of the population.
Reduce the raw number. Start with the least able to do for themselves.
The rest will self moderate.
That will not happen. Both sides in Washington want population growth.
The liberals are getting a better deal than conservatives. They get both political advantages in the future and cheap labor. The republicans are reluctant to stop immigration because they want cheap labor, but they might lose out in the future as new citizens vote overwhelmingly democratic.
The whole debate on immigration being racialized is quite an intentional strategy by both sides to avoid talking about economics and focus on divisive cultural and racial issues. It delays the discussion of immigration, which preserves the status quo of essentially open borders that are the best for businesses.
Also, immigrants come here these days for not only jobs but also our social welfare. Having more kids is a way to get on social welfare. Who can blame them? You offer welfare, and people want it. They don't have anything like this in their home country. You can't tell people not to have many kids and simultaneously offer welfare for those who have more kids.
People who earn income. You should try something better than sophistry.
Among other things as specified above, you should learn what sophistry means. YOU are not taxed. Your INCOME is, and it is taxed at the same rates and under the same provisions as everyone else's. In addition to having no legitimate complaint over taxes, you have no legitimate complaint over other poeple's decisions to bear children to not. Why not stop butting in where you so plainly do not belong.
Among other things as specified above, you should learn what sophistry means. YOU are not taxed. Your INCOME is, and it is taxed at the same rates and under the same provisions as everyone else's. In addition to having no legitimate complaint over taxes, you have no legitimate complaint over other poeple's decisions to bear children to not. Why not stop butting in where you so plainly do not belong.
Just to remind you that there is singlism in our tax code. Single people are taxed disproportionately more than those who are married and have children. Much of this goes back to the religious roots of this country and the fact that the majority of our population believe in some sort of religion or "spirit".
No, the government already is complaining about other people's decision to bear children. It has policies set up to intervene, to socially engineers, and to shuffle people into certain lifestyles.
Memorandum to files:
At about 13%, the share of the foreign-born in the US population is just now returning to levels that were the norm until the three strikes of WWI, the Great Depression, and WWII made international travel difficult to impossible. Recovery over recent decades has been important but will not suffice, as we do not have enough native-born workers to replace the baby boomers as they retire. Further, as they and the population in general age, demand will increase for the very sorts of home, personal, and health care services that immigrants have specialized in.
No matter the blather that some sleaze-ball politicians might resort to in their insincere appeals to popular ignorance and bigotry, this is why it will be the case that many more immigrants -- both legal and illegal -- will be coming to the US over the near-term future. There is economic need and demand for them. These are the sorts of tides that simply sweep the unaware away.
Just to remind you that there is singlism in our tax code. Single people are taxed disproportionately more than those who are married and have children.
For many years, there was a MARRIAGE PENALTY in the tax code. Most of that has been teased out over recent decades, however.
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Much of this goes back to the religious roots of this country....
There ARE no religious roots to this country. Then as now, there were many men of deep religious belief, and many men of no religious belief at all. The country itself was not founded on either one.
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...and the fact that the majority of our population believe in some sort of religion or "spirit".
A rapidly declining majority whose adherence to any faith at all is weak, thin, and diminishing with each passing day. The fastest growing religion in the country is "None".
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Originally Posted by Costaexpress
No, the government already is complaining about other people's decision to bear children. It has policies set up to intervene, to socially engineers, and to shuffle people into certain lifestyles.
For many years, there was a MARRIAGE PENALTY in the tax code. Most of that has been teased out over recent decades, however.
There ARE no religious roots to this country. Then as now, there were many men of deep religious belief, and many men of no religious belief at all. The country itself was not founded on either one.
A rapidly declining majority whose adherence to any faith at all is weak, thin, and diminishing with each passing day. The fastest growing religion in the country is "None".
Build more FEMA camps!!!
You seem to take rhetoric and principles instead of reality seriously. There has never been complete separation between church and state. The so called "post racial" president says "God bless America" but ignorant population hear nothing religious about that. Right, we are not religious. We don't have religious roots, right?
Let me tell you. When your population is vast majority religious, even if people claim that their beliefs are declining, you do not have the separation between church and state. And if you are democratic, you simply become dominated by religious through "legitimate" democratic means, basically fools voting to become more foolish.
No. FEMA camps will never solve these problems. The more you fight religion, the ever more feisty they become. And the more you please religion, be it tax breaks and smiley policies, the ever more entitled they become.
What is incredibly hilarious is not just how social conservatives regard their religion as sort of cherished jewel. It is that the liberal left has turned everything, from yoga to environmentalism into something that has to be " spiritual". Change has really come to America.
Lower fertility rates will improve the quality of life
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I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this one!
Recently, I read China wants to allow parents to have 2 children, but 69% of those polled claimed they weren't interested in having another child, and the younger people simply don't want any children, period!
I see falling fertility rates all over the world, even Mexico falling to 2.0, and a healthy fertility rate is 2.1, and I recently read that Iran is even trying hard to reverse a fertility rate decline there.
I know excess population results in worker exploitation, more destruction to the environment, but who's to say, even with fewer people in the world, the environmental destruction will not continue.
Yes, there are parts of Africa where the fertility rate is still up there around 6.0/7.0, but how many of those being born there will even attend their 1st birthday party or their 12th birthday party!
What kind of scenario's do you see being played out, in the world, economically, if these fertility rates continue to fall? Will China, Japan (1.2 rate) and South Korea (1.3 rate) provide some of the answers?
The world is already over populated. I would not lose sleep over this one, which I am having a hard time to believe, that the worlds population is actually shrinking in numbers. Lets hope that we can get into negative numbers. Don't worry folks, we are talking about billions of people. But then again, I will believe it, when I see it.
Memorandum to files:
At about 13%, the share of the foreign-born in the US population is just now returning to levels that were the norm until the three strikes of WWI, the Great Depression, and WWII made international travel difficult to impossible. Recovery over recent decades has been important but will not suffice, as we do not have enough native-born workers to replace the baby boomers as they retire. Further, as they and the population in general age, demand will increase for the very sorts of home, personal, and health care services that immigrants have specialized in.
No matter the blather that some sleaze-ball politicians might resort to in their insincere appeals to popular ignorance and bigotry, this is why it will be the case that many more immigrants -- both legal and illegal -- will be coming to the US over the near-term future. There is economic need and demand for them. These are the sorts of tides that simply sweep the unaware away.
Even when we do have native born workers, many of them are not willing to work. They simply get on welfare and blame immigrants for taking jobs that they wouldn't even consider. It is completely illogical.
Without immigration, the economy will shrink. There won't be enough demand for goods, services, and housing. Much of the U.S. Is basically empty. The deserts, flat heartland can take in many more immigrants than what we have taken in so far. Without immigration, there won't be enough tax payers to fund the retirement system, which probably goes bankrupt anyway before I retire. We are going to work well into our 70s, and that is if we can find work.
Immigrants in general are much more hardworking than native born workers. They are also more likely to be grateful to those who offer them a job. Furthermore, immigrants tend to be fiscally responsible to their family and kids. They raise a family successfully on money that native born workers think would be inadequate. But they do it just fine. Latinos and Hispanics, for instance, are some of the most family driven people who sweat for their children's future. Looking at them, you begin to see the values that once built this great nation. Ironically, these values today shine in those we call "foreigners." You begin to understand why this country would be a better place once we have a minority majority. Make it happen.
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