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How does this someone *get* that money? Is there some holy and sacrosanct creed that dictates that our system distributes money in a fair or efficient manner?
If you pay attention, you will notice that there is little correlation between how much money a person makes and how much benefit they give to society as a whole. Economic benefit or otherwise. Rather the greatest riches tend to go to those who do the greatest harm.
The people who really drive living standards upward are the inventors, scientists, and engineers who develop better tech that increases productivity. With a few rare exceptions though, these people are middle class. Rather it is the wheelers and dealers, the financiers, the already rich, the marketeers, the lawyers, who simply *extract* wealth from the system who are getting rich.
If you check back, the reason we need a BI is because consumer capitalism is a dying system. Advances in computers and robotics will soon make a growing % of the population unemployable. Presently in the US the lower skilled are suffering from the effects of perpetual trade deficits and offshoring, and the near complete elimination of unions. It will only get worse.
A BI is very libertarian actually, since it is simple and eliminates a lot of bureaucracy. Give everyone enough money to survive in poverty and then let them do as they please.
It's easy to pay for. For a BI of ~$8/yr the net hit on taxes would be ~5% of GDP, and the US would still remain one of the lowest taxed developed countries.
Take from the working and give to the non working is NOT a libertarian value at all.
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Libertarians want all members of society to have abundant opportunities to achieve economic success. A free and competitive market allocates resources in the most efficient manner. Each person has the right to offer goods and services to others on the free market. The only proper role of government in the economic realm is to protect property rights, adjudicate disputes, and provide a legal framework in which voluntary trade is protected. All efforts by government to redistribute wealth, or to control or manage trade, are improper in a free society.
How does this someone *get* that money? Is there some holy and sacrosanct creed that dictates that our system distributes money in a fair or efficient manner?
If you pay attention, you will notice that there is little correlation between how much money a person makes and how much benefit they give to society as a whole. Economic benefit or otherwise. Rather the greatest riches tend to go to those who do the greatest harm.
The people who really drive living standards upward are the inventors, scientists, and engineers who develop better tech that increases productivity. With a few rare exceptions though, these people are middle class. Rather it is the wheelers and dealers, the financiers, the already rich, the marketeers, the lawyers, who simply *extract* wealth from the system who are getting rich.
If you check back, the reason we need a BI is because consumer capitalism is a dying system. Advances in computers and robotics will soon make a growing % of the population unemployable. Presently in the US the lower skilled are suffering from the effects of perpetual trade deficits and offshoring, and the near complete elimination of unions. It will only get worse.
A BI is very libertarian actually, since it is simple and eliminates a lot of bureaucracy. Give everyone enough money to survive in poverty and then let them do as they please.
It's easy to pay for. For a BI of ~$8/yr the net hit on taxes would be ~5% of GDP, and the US would still remain one of the lowest taxed developed countries.
I don't think libertarian means what you think it means.
If there is no bureaucracy, how will it be "taken" then "given"? No, there is no creed that dictates that our system distributes money AT ALL. That's socialism, and NOT what this country if about.
There is no correlation between making money and benefit to society because they are completely different things.
Take from the working and give to the non working is NOT a libertarian value at all.
You are only looking at the kindergarten version of Libertarian. Anyone who knows a little about economics also knows it is ridiculous, dysfunctional, impossible.
Libertarians are primarily concerned about freedom. The smart ones know that economic freedom is one of the least important types and that economic freedom cannot even exist without a strong government enforcing the competitive playing field.
No, this country is about whatever is good for the oligarchs.
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There is no correlation between making money and benefit to society because they are completely different things.
If our system was working effectively there would be a strong correlation. The economy for the bottom 99.9% has been declining for the last 40 years because there isn't one.
And bootstrapping is always debunked by the lazy and entitled.
I'll bite - to guarantee a basic income, that money must come from someone. Who will that be? The folks that practice bootstrapping? And how long, exactly, do you think they'll tolerate the lazy, dumb and entitled taking their hard earned money before they decide to sit back and "take"? Not long, I imagine, especially since they appear to be smarter than everyone else.
Do you not see a problem here?
Try telling that to the people in subsaharan Africa subsisting on $1 a day and walking 5 miles to fetch water. "You're just not trying hard enough".
You are only looking at the kindergarten version of Libertarian. Anyone who knows a little about economics also knows it is ridiculous, dysfunctional, impossible.
Libertarians are primarily concerned about freedom. The smart ones know that economic freedom is one of the least important types and that economic freedom cannot even exist without a strong government enforcing the competitive playing field.
Which does not include the government taking your money to give to someone else.
Stop trying to push this progressive idea into the Libertarian platform because it is not there.
How much longer can the US go with open borders and importing third world poverty ?
51% of immigrants that we let come here are on welfare.
And those are the legal immigrants.
Nearly 5 million kids under 18 have an illegal parent and are on welfare.
Over 50% of babies born in the US are paid for by medicaid.
Companies are relocating out of the US. Individuals that have left the US are giving up their citizenship.
In effect the US is losing paying entities (companies and individuals) while importing welfare entities.
I could agree with strengthening economic requirements for immigration but even with no immigrants you have to have some redistribution of income, otherwise you'll just have home-brew deep poverty.
You are only looking at the kindergarten version of Libertarian. Anyone who knows a little about economics also knows it is ridiculous, dysfunctional, impossible.
Libertarians are primarily concerned about freedom. The smart ones know that economic freedom is one of the least important types and that economic freedom cannot even exist without a strong government enforcing the competitive playing field.
"Freedom" and "strong government enforcement" are polar opposites.
You clearly don't understand the meaning of Libertarianism.
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