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Old 02-19-2016, 06:30 PM
 
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So, then: how to we bring back growth?
Might be "Post-Growth?"

Real Question.

Can you not be profitable without "growth?"
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Old 02-19-2016, 06:35 PM
 
Location: City of the Angels
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Personally, I feel like our nation has lost it's frigging mind.
I feel like hibernating until 2016 is over.
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Old 02-19-2016, 07:03 PM
 
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Personally, I feel like our nation has lost it's frigging mind.
I feel like hibernating until 2016 is over.
That is actually a good call
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Old 02-19-2016, 08:15 PM
 
Location: moved
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Might be "Post-Growth?"

Real Question.

Can you not be profitable without "growth?"
We can have profits without growth... for a while. But there must be growth in profits, for equities to sustainably rise. Stock markets reward not the maintenance of profits, but the expectation that profits will be greater in the future. Loans are given not with the aim of keeping an enterprise functioning as before, but with the expectation that it will expand. Houses are bought with the understanding that their value will rise.

The basic assumption of capitalism (and for that matter also of socialism), is that the future will be bigger and better. A modern economy - regardless of the "-ism" - can't function unless it grows.

And if collectively we grow despondent over perceived lack of growth - guess what! - it will be a self-fulfilling prophesy. The result is Lawrence Summers' "secular stagnation".

Another of America's traditional strengths has been an almost child-like, quietly imbecilic optimism... a dogged faith in growth. Lose that faith, and we lose our advantage.
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Old 02-19-2016, 08:20 PM
 
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Massive increase in Central Bank induced DEBT, ALL DEBT - public, personal, and corporate - has reached it's limit to effectively "goose" demand and it's counterpart, production.

Developed countries populations are aging even those that are expanding. And some are shrinking.

Google 'diminishing marginal productivity of debt'.

Maybe we should look someplace other than monetary metrics like "GDP per capita" to guide us towards a sustainable, life-affirming, happy future?
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Old 02-19-2016, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Spain
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Massive increase in Central Bank induced DEBT, ALL DEBT - public, personal, and corporate - has reached it's limit to effectively "goose" demand and it's counterpart, production.
I'm not so sure on household debt.

Household debt as a percentage of disposable income is here: FRB: FEDS Notes: Deleveraging and Recent Trends in Household Debt, Accessible Data

It peaked in 2007 at 1.25 and then trended down to 0.96 at start of 2015.

Yes it is still high by long term historical standards but I don't think it is accurate to describe household debt (at least as a percentage of disposable income) as increasing.

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Old 02-19-2016, 08:49 PM
 
Location: San Ramon, Seattle, Anchorage, Reykjavik
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We had a 50 year period starting in 1946 where everything went great. That's over. Life's tough. Get over it.
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Old 02-19-2016, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Devastating critique of the Federal Reserve, the US government, the Banks, corporate/financial elites etc...

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/angry...n-m-cunningham



The rest of the article provides some great analysis of the CPI, unemployment figures, GDP, debt levels, etc.
I pretty much came to the same conclusion.
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Old 02-19-2016, 08:56 PM
 
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We had a 50 year period starting in 1946 where everything went great. That's over. Life's tough. Get over it.
Unfortunately this is the answer, and if other countries predict our future, instead of Americans coming together to bring the whole country up, the haves will just continue to pounce and berate on the have nots until very few haves are left.
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Old 02-19-2016, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Might be "Post-Growth?"

Real Question.

Can you not be profitable without "growth?"
Of course you can be profitable without growth. You simply scale down output to match anticipated market demand.
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