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Old 10-06-2016, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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Calculated Risk: Weekly Initial Unemployment Claims decline to 249,000, 4-Week Average Lowest Since 1973

Weekly Initial Unemployment Claims decline to 249,000, 4-Week Average Lowest Since 1973
Yeah. In terms of the raw # of jobs, truly only the 90s look as good in comparison to recent history. But still, people don't seem to be as euphoric as they were in the 90s about it. It seems like nobody's jobs pay enough and everyone's sure the bottom is going to fall out tomorrow.

 
Old 10-06-2016, 01:24 PM
 
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Yeah. In terms of the raw # of jobs, truly only the 90s look as good in comparison to recent history. But still, people don't seem to be as euphoric as they were in the 90s about it. It seems like nobody's jobs pay enough and everyone's sure the bottom is going to fall out tomorrow.
...and with way more working age population today...
 
Old 10-06-2016, 04:13 PM
 
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I'm not sure what "real world" you are referring to.
Well, as has already been suggested, it's the one where taxes other than the individual federal income tax exist. You know -- the REAL WORLD.

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Old 10-07-2016, 09:12 AM
 
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Unemployment Rate Rises in Disappointing September Jobs Report

Payroll growth was disappointing for a second straight month in September as employers added 156,000 jobs, raising questions about the health of an economy that was expected to perk up from a prolonged slump in the second half of the year.

The unemployment rate rose to 5% from 4.9%, the Labor Department said Friday....
Disappointing 156,000 jobs added in September
Remember what I told you, there can never be real economic growth unless we destroy our bad debts first. Economic growth is dependable on debt destruction first. No debt destruction (higher interest rates, deflation, massive defaults and bankrupcies, maximum pain), no future real economic growth.
 
Old 10-07-2016, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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He is probably referring to the "real world" where there are a lot of taxes besides income tax.
The federal portion of which pale in comparison to the federal income tax.
 
Old 10-07-2016, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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Remember what I told you...
Ah, yes. Hey - did you etch it into a tablet by a burning bush?
 
Old 10-07-2016, 09:31 AM
 
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Ah, yes. Hey - did you etch it into a tablet by a burning bush?
So far only small percentage of us are NOT FOOLED by the FED and this fabricated and phony DEBT INDUCED SO CALLED RECOVERY. How long the rest of you are going to be in denial? There is NO RECOVERY. Where would our economy be, where would housing market be, where would stock market be with 0 stimulus????????? That is the question you all should be asking yourself.

No real economic growth is possible unless we raise rates and experience massive pain, defaults and bankruptcies, unless we destroy all bad debt that we are so desperately protecting since 2001.
 
Old 10-07-2016, 10:27 AM
 
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So far only small percentage of us are NOT FOOLED by the FED and this fabricated and phony DEBT INDUCED SO CALLED RECOVERY. How long the rest of you are going to be in denial? There is NO RECOVERY. Where would our economy be, where would housing market be, where would stock market be with 0 stimulus????????? That is the question you all should be asking yourself.

No real economic growth is possible unless we raise rates and experience massive pain, defaults and bankruptcies, unless we destroy all bad debt that we are so desperately protecting since 2001.
I was 'fooled' about Fed policy in 2008/9 and about doubled my net worth since then. What were you thinking in 2007?
 
Old 10-07-2016, 12:22 PM
 
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I was 'fooled' about Fed policy in 2008/9 and about doubled my net worth since then. What were you thinking in 2007?
What doubling your or mine or anyones net worth since 2009 has anything to do with REAL ECONOMIC GROWTH???????????????? It has all to do with stealing future earnings by the FED, stealing public taxpayer money, adding massive debt to create WEALTH EFFECT. Pumping stocks and housing to create wealth effect is not an economic recovery, it's just another cancerous asset bubble that is going to deflate rapidly as soon as you raise interest rates.

ECONOMIC RECOVERY IS AN ILLUSION, ONE BIG FAT LIE!!!!!
Higher interest rates will kill stock market gains, housing interest AND will kill our phony and fake recovery. Yes. This is not a problem. We have larger fish to fry. Higher interest rates will force prices down rapidly. Fed's attempts to steal more money for the Wall Street banks by buying more bank mortgage debt has created another bubble in housing; but when reality strikes (remember Volcker's 23% interest rates in 1982 - this time around will be even higher), house prices, stocks and everything else will fall like a rotten fruit back to the ground.

We are debt addicts Hoonose and need to go through rehab, and I'm choosing 'cold turkey' as a medicine. That's what raising rates does. You seem to have hope that idiots at the Fed might turn things around through another QE4 and 5 and 6? and 7, NIRP maybe? I don't. No economic growth is possible until debt gets destroyed.

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Old 10-07-2016, 01:10 PM
 
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What doubling your or mine or anyones net worth since 2009 has anything to do with REAL ECONOMIC GROWTH???????????????? It has all to do with stealing future earnings by the FED, stealing public taxpayer money, adding massive debt to create WEALTH EFFECT. Pumping stocks and housing to create wealth effect is not an economic recovery, it's just another cancerous asset bubble that is going to deflate rapidly as soon as you raise interest rates.

ECONOMIC RECOVERY IS AN ILLUSION, ONE BIG FAT LIE!!!!!
Higher interest rates will kill stock market gains, housing interest AND will kill our phony and fake recovery. Yes. This is not a problem. We have larger fish to fry. Higher interest rates will force prices down rapidly. Fed's attempts to steal more money for the Wall Street banks by buying more bank mortgage debt has created another bubble in housing; but when reality strikes (remember Volcker's 23% interest rates in 1982 - this time around will be even higher), house prices, stocks and everything else will fall like a rotten fruit back to the ground.

We are debt addicts Hoonose and need to go through rehab, and I'm choosing 'cold turkey' as a medicine. That's what raising rates does. You seem to have hope that idiots at the Fed might turn things around through another QE4 and 5 and 6? and 7, NIRP maybe? I don't. No economic growth is possible until debt gets destroyed.

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By a very very long shot I am not the only one to make considerable gains via debt. And far from the last. And as I come to the conclusion of generating years, I no longer need or have any significant debt. Unless maybe zero interest.

Growth is money, stuff, health, happiness, security and improved standards of living, for more and more people. Much of which is fueled by debt.
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