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In theory, this reduction in jobs means an increase in output, and if output grows,
then there is only more for us all to divide up -- whether we actually have a job or not.
Who exactly do you believe gets the benefit of those efficiencies?
It sounds as though it's NOT the owners and shareholders.
The best chance that YOU have...
is to reduce the number of people you'll have to compete against to get one of these increased output jobs.
(which btw should pay pretty well under such circumstances)
Distant future? Fewer than half the people have one of those useful paying jobs right now.
And while those who do have one may often enough be seen trying to pat themselves on the back for it, they are secretly trying to save up for a time when they won't have to have one anymore.
There should still be plenty of jobs this century. In the year 2510....
When the 1% own billions of robots, none of which can vote, and most people are unemployed, because their work is done by the billions of robots, basic income will increase dramatically, because the voters, who benefit from it, will vote to increase it. The money will come from the work of the robots. Money that would otherwise go into the pockets of the 1% who own the robots.
The next revolution won't be poor people revolting against rich people. It will be the 1% with their billions of robots, revolting against democracy. And they will win, because their billions of robots can easily be designed for fighting. When democracy loses, the vast majority of the population will die out, from lack of income, and lack of the basic necessities of life. Then the 1% will live in a low-population paradise, with billions of robot servants doing everything for them. Their children, in history classes in school, will learn about the evils of democracy, and the evils of hundreds of millions of lazy bums trying to steal money from the 1% and ending up dying of abject poverty for their crimes.
History is written by those who win. What was good and what was evil depends on your point of view. If you're among the winners, your point of view is good and the point of view of the losers is evil.
If we the people don't see or feel the need to guarantee the basics to all citizens at some distant point in time, then it either won't be needed or won't happen because of a lack of resources.
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locking people up, provides them a roof, a three meals a day... their "needs" are taken care of...
ussr provided block housing and assigned people jobs
there are many "ways" to provide basic need
giving people money via ubi, how do you ensure they can cover basic needs and not blow it on gambling, sex and drugs? how do you ensure people will have food and housing covered? if i as a landlord decide to up the rent to above ubi levels, what then? all the ubi in the world cant force me to rent to people i dont want, because i have the option to not rent out the house.
poor people will still be poor, ubi only help the people who already have basics covered, so they can invest the ubi money. how does it help the poor? if all they can afford is a pie a day, having ubi, they can still only afford one pie a day after the pie seller increases his pie price
sorry, the poor will have to suck it up and work a little harder to make up for showing up late to the race to success
locking people up, provides them a roof, a three meals a day... their "needs" are taken care of...
ussr provided block housing and assigned people jobs
there are many "ways" to provide basic need
giving people money via ubi, how do you ensure they can cover basic needs and not blow it on gambling, sex and drugs? how do you ensure people will have food and housing covered? if i as a landlord decide to up the rent to above ubi levels, what then? all the ubi in the world cant force me to rent to people i dont want, because i have the option to not rent out the house.
poor people will still be poor, ubi only help the people who already have basics covered, so they can invest the ubi money. how does it help the poor? if all they can afford is a pie a day, having ubi, they can still only afford one pie a day after the pie seller increases his pie price
sorry, the poor will have to suck it up and work a little harder to make up for showing up late to the race to success
Then you vote no.
The concept is that in the far future the poor and the middle class won't have a job to show up to.
No way to ensure where the cash will be spent.
Basic needs could be supplied centrally as opposed to cash.
You still haven't proven economically why someone is entitled to a certain Standard of Living or Life-Style.
Economically no one is entitled to a certain standard of living but thankfully we do just depend on economics to determine that or we would end up a third world country. When the standard of living is to have enough for housing and food yes someone should be entitled to that it is called human decency.
Although I haven't seen every single posting in this thread thus far, a point I haven't (thus far) seen mentioned by anyone is what I will share below:
QUESTION: If, as so many individuals and authorities say or project to be our future (here in this thread and in the media and public arena as well), many many job categories in the entire world of work will be altogether eliminated or else greatly reduced (re: as to the need to employ paid humans in paid capacities) due to computerization and automation (i.e., not just low-level labor jobs but mid-level skilled jobs as well and also varied jobs thought to be more immune from automation such as the brainier skilled [white collar] professions and the higher-level skilled trades), then the question I ask is "Then does this mean that the post-secondary education world (colleges, universities, trade schools, specialty schools of many types) will be vastly reduced or even disappear altogether?". After all, if so many many less persons in the world population-at-large are going to be needed to fill actual paid work positions, then why go to college/university or trade school or specialty schools of whatever types like so many individuals throughout the world do (with nearly everyone assuming, rather by rote, that this is the life trajectory or path that everyone or nearly everyone takes in life beyond having a basic education on the secondary level [kindergarten level through high school level])? For what do so many individuals need to be educated and trained for (and take up all those years and all that expense and effort in doing so) if there will be no paid work capacity for so many of them in such a projected future?
...then the question I ask is "Then does this mean that the post-secondary education world
(colleges, universities, trade schools, specialty schools of many types) will be vastly reduced
or even disappear altogether?".
Of course not. But education for it's own sake might return.
Getting away from college as a job training program can only help the world.
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If so many many less persons in the world population-at-large are going to be needed to fill
actual paid work positions, then why go to college/university...
For what do so many individuals need to be educated and trained for
if there will be no paid work capacity for so many of them in such a projected future?
For what do so many individuals need to even exist?
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