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Old 01-19-2020, 12:19 AM
 
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What if human nature is greedy at its core?

What if societies desire to have and consume more is ultimately stronger than our desire to ensure the world lasts 50,000 more years instead of 2,000 more years?

Could me and my family be safer in a 7 mpg 7,000 lb SUV? Why not?

There are billions of people out here that want what Americans have...
If humans are that greedy we will end up destroying each other first before nature. The rats, roaches, mosses, fungus will inherit the Earth, and rebuild nature, and life.

Humans will kill each other down to the last man, and will simply fade from history. Nature in its various forms will still be here to rebuild herself.

 
Old 01-19-2020, 12:42 AM
 
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I always find it funny when people talk about how we are destroying the earth.

The earth isn't going anywhere, now the people on earth, not nearly as certain.
 
Old 01-19-2020, 11:07 AM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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It's the wealthy elite; the 1%; who are trying to reduce the population so they can secure natural resources for themselves.

Why do you think the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation paid for the development of the HCG laced va((ines that have been found being administered in Africa & India?

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...veloping_World
 
Old 01-19-2020, 01:03 PM
 
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At one time Mercury, Venus, Mars, and mini planet called Ceres (in asteroid belt) that didnt have enough material to develop into full size planet, all had liquid water oceans and could have developed life. Stuff happens. Earth only probably had life develop cause Jupiter wandered on path spiraling towards Sun and kept Earth from developing into super size rocky planet found in lot other solar systems at this distance from their sun. Saturn developed enough size and developed gravitational relationship with Jupiter that pulled Jupiter back to outer planet region beyond asteroid belt. so can probably thank both Jupiter and Saturn.



Oh and when Sun runs out hydrogen at its core and starts thermonuclear reaction with shell hydrogen beyond its core and goes red giant, Earth is toast. It may not be consumed like Mercury and Venus, but definitely lifeless. There is a moon of Jupiter that has water and could be last refuge of life in this solar system. It will warm up with sun as red giant. Course eventually the Sun dies and so does solar system.



Either humans adapt and spread to other solar systems or die out like dinosaurs. This no matter what else they do as solar systems dont last forever. Most likely humans die off far before any of this happens. Humans dont have great ability at long term thinking. They want their ice cream cone now.
 
Old 01-19-2020, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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At one time Mercury, Venus, Mars, and mini planet called Ceres (in asteroid belt) that didnt have enough material to develop into full size planet, all had liquid water oceans and could have developed life. Stuff happens. Earth only probably had life develop cause Jupiter wandered on path spiraling towards Sun and kept Earth from developing into super size rocky planet found in lot other solar systems at this distance from their sun. Saturn developed enough size and developed gravitational relationship with Jupiter that pulled Jupiter back to outer planet region beyond asteroid belt. so can probably thank both Jupiter and Saturn.



Oh and when Sun runs out hydrogen at its core and starts thermonuclear reaction with shell hydrogen beyond its core and goes red giant, Earth is toast. It may not be consumed like Mercury and Venus, but definitely lifeless. There is a moon of Jupiter that has water and could be last refuge of life in this solar system. It will warm up with sun as red giant. Course eventually the Sun dies and so does solar system.



Either humans adapt and spread to other solar systems or die out like dinosaurs. This no matter what else they do as solar systems dont last forever. Most likely humans die off far before any of this happens. Humans dont have great ability at long term thinking. They want their ice cream cone now.
Well, yeah, but that's a few billion years in the future!

With climate change we're talking about screwing up our society in a matter of 75-150 years or so.
 
Old 01-20-2020, 06:17 AM
 
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It's the wealthy elite; the 1%; who are trying to reduce the population so they can secure natural resources for themselves.

Why do you think the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation paid for the development of the HCG laced va((ines that have been found being administered in Africa & India?

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...veloping_World

To accuse the Gates' of trying to slow population growth because they want to secure resources to increase their wealth is quite a stretch. The presence of hCG in the tetanus vaccines in Kenya has been proven to be a false claim.

Bill and Melinda Gates are to be celebrated for using their wealth to try to improve the lives of the poor of the world. There are plenty of greedy billionaires deserving of our contempt but the Gates are not among them.
 
Old 01-20-2020, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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With climate change we're talking about screwing up our society in a matter of 75-150 years or so.
So, what should be done? Other than raising my taxes, and giving a bunch of people secure government union jobs, of course. Those things are a given.

Could we add a $1000 or $10,000 car tax to get most cars off the road? Wait, no, that would adversely affect the poor, minorities, women, children, the sick, the elderly, the disabled, etc. Maybe we should just ban anyone who makes over $100K per year from driving cars? Oh, shoot, that would leave the vast majority of cars on the road. What to do, what to do...
 
Old 01-20-2020, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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So, what should be done? Other than raising my taxes, and giving a bunch of people secure government union jobs, of course. Those things are a given.

Could we add a $1000 or $10,000 car tax to get most cars off the road? Wait, no, that would adversely affect the poor, minorities, women, children, the sick, the elderly, the disabled, etc. Maybe we should just ban anyone who makes over $100K per year from driving cars? Oh, shoot, that would leave the vast majority of cars on the road. What to do, what to do...
Well, I thought Cap and Trade was a reasonable market-based response, but people lost their minds about that when it was proposed. Given current political paradigms, there is probably nothing we can do. I think the PR efforts of Greta Thunberg and the like are the best approach, because the only way we're going to get anything at all someday is if people push for it themselves. It's clear that younger generations care more, and by young I don't mean just kids or college students, but generally people under 45 or so. It's also not just the U.S. where we've seen younger people gravitate toward Green politics, it's worldwide.

I don't really know what to do, but what I do know is if you're concerned about the economic effects of preventative measures, you won't like the economic effects of doing nothing. Don't like proliferation of government jobs? Well, who do you think is going to employ all the clean-up workers, firefighters, etc..?
 
Old 01-20-2020, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Southwest Washington State
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Unchecked capitalism is unchecked greed, in most cases. We as a nation have struggled with regulating capitalism at various times in our history.

The trickle down theory has produced more wealth concentrated at the very top of our social order, and more poverty at the bottom. The middle class, which has been the stabilizing force in our society is shrinking. Our social order is becoming more chaotic and has bred despair, and a desire for chaotic upheaval.

Capitalism creates wealth, there is no doubt of that. But unchecked capitalism will create inequities that cause societal instability.
 
Old 01-20-2020, 11:43 AM
 
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Unchecked capitalism is unchecked greed, in most cases. We as a nation have struggled with regulating capitalism at various times in our history.

The trickle down theory has produced more wealth concentrated at the very top of our social order, and more poverty at the bottom. The middle class, which has been the stabilizing force in our society is shrinking. Our social order is becoming more chaotic and has bred despair, and a desire for chaotic upheaval.

Capitalism creates wealth, there is no doubt of that. But unchecked capitalism will create inequities that cause societal instability.
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