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Old 04-12-2014, 04:53 PM
 
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The recourse is for the parents to talk to the teacher *and* their school board, not to take this book of the list.
I agree. Like I said before, I am not in favor of banning books or even taking books off of the list. If a student is allowed to choose books from a list and this is the book that they choose, that is fine. I do not however think it's an appropriate choice for a teacher to use as a class assignment.
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Old 04-12-2014, 05:47 PM
 
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I fear censorship more than I fear having my kids corrupted by reading anything.

While I don't agree with some of the chosen methods used in Common Core, I do agree with the premise. I don't want parents or teachers imposing their own morality-based curriculum biases when they cherry pick passages to make judgements without regard to the entire context.
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Old 04-12-2014, 05:50 PM
 
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The Adventures of Tom Sawyer (Contains the N word)
The Call of the Wild
Those two are in Project Gutenberg.

With 45,000 works in the project there should be quite a few that are worthwhile. So if schools are complaining about costs, then finding the 5 or 10% that is worthwhile would make economic and educational sense.

psik
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Old 04-12-2014, 06:06 PM
 
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You don't have to know what a book is about to realize it contains pornographic passages.
Let everyone know when you've actually read the book you are so dreadfully unhappy with.

Warning: you might learn something.

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Old 04-12-2014, 06:55 PM
 
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As I have been told many times, CC is a set of standards, not a curriculum. I am not a fan, but a lot of things are blamed on CC that are not required by CC. I think the idea of a national set of standards is fine. I do not agree with all of the school reform going on, including the increase in standardized testing, the proliferation of charter schools, vouchers for private schools, and CC is part of the whole plan.
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Old 04-12-2014, 06:57 PM
 
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I have read so many terrible things about CC, including the very scary proposition that this is just a corporate take-over of education for profit purposes. Based on what I have seen from CC so far, I agree with this point of view.

Asking those who also agree: given the situation, what should a caring parent do?
I still want my children to get a very good education. What's the solution to counteract the apparently horrible effects of CC?

Homeschooling, private school or moving out of the country are not options for us any time soon.
Supplement at home with a serious curriculum? Anything else?

This is not a thread to debate the merits of CC. I am simply asking those who agree that it sucks...what do you think a caring parent should do?
A caring parent should become involved in and educated on his or her school board members and candidates and do everything possible to make sure the reformers do not get elected. Go to meetings. Send e-mails. Make your voice heard. I am living school reform and it is scary.
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Old 04-12-2014, 08:32 PM
 
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I have read so many terrible things about CC, including the very scary proposition that this is just a corporate take-over of education for profit purposes. Based on what I have seen from CC so far, I agree with this point of view.

Asking those who also agree: given the situation, what should a caring parent do?
I still want my children to get a very good education. What's the solution to counteract the apparently horrible effects of CC?

Homeschooling, private school or moving out of the country are not options for us any time soon.
Supplement at home with a serious curriculum? Anything else?

This is not a thread to debate the merits of CC. I am simply asking those who agree that it sucks...what do you think a caring parent should do?
I have no doubt that reform is for monetary gain of those selling everything from computers to books to educational software. Note that they do not ask those in the field to help plan the direction of education. In fact, they treat teachers like morons who have to be told what to do. They wouldn't like what we'd say. There's no money in getting back to basics and holding kids accountable for learning. There's money to be made selling new programs, new technology and new software to go with that technology and the public eats that stuff up.

I read a small study done several years back comparing districts with technology to districts without technology. Turned out the kids without technology actually learned some things better than the kids with technology. That got swept under the rug really fast. I can't even find references to that information today. It didn't say what they wanted it to say so they pretend it never happened. There's no money in getting back to basics and holding kids accountable.

Here's an example. I've had to go back to old fashioned printed resources and a hand written outline go get my students writing original reports. If I take them to the computer lab they will Google, cut, paste, shake and edit every fifth word to get past a plagiarism checker without actually reading what they "wrote". If I make them use hard copies and write an outline first, I actually get halfway decent papers. Low tech often works better than high tech but that doesn't sell hardware and software so there's no money in it.

As to what a caring parent should do. Supplement with low tech. Have your children read. Have them memorize their multiplication tables. Have them spell words. Have them hand write thoughtful responses to prompts. Do not let them Google cut and paste. Do not condition them to only learn in 15 second sound bytes with high resolution graphics. Let them go outside and play. Let them explore.
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Old 04-12-2014, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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Let everyone know when you've actually read the book you are so dreadfully unhappy with.

Warning: you might learn something.
I've read the parts I'm unhappy with. Reading the rest of the book won't make them go away. It doesn't matter how good the good stuff is if the bad stuff is intolerable and what I read was intolerable when it comes to handing it to our children. Since I find pedophiles, rape and incest disgusting, I have no desire to read a book that contains graphic depictions of them which the author admits to writing so that the reader will feel like a coconspirator without passing judgment. I find this beyond disgusting. Rape, incest and pedophilia are things we should find disgusting and pass judgment on and I don't care to feel like a coconspirator in any of them nor do I want my children to have that experience.

I don't read garbage and this is garbage. I read enough to know it's garbage. I won't give the author any more than that. What I read is disgusting and should turn the stomach of anyone reading it. I find it very sad that people defend this trash.
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Old 04-12-2014, 08:48 PM
 
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A caring parent should become involved in and educated on his or her school board members and candidates and do everything possible to make sure the reformers do not get elected. Go to meetings. Send e-mails. Make your voice heard. I am living school reform and it is scary.
And for the love of all that is holy, stop shopping at walmart and stop buying Koch brothers products! I changed my gas, paper towel and toilet paper brands after reading this list.

Stop Funding the Koch Brothers!
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Old 04-13-2014, 07:40 AM
 
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And for the love of all that is holy, stop shopping at walmart and stop buying Koch brothers products! I changed my gas, paper towel and toilet paper brands after reading this list.

Stop Funding the Koch Brothers!
I stopped shopping at Wal-Mart years ago once they turned into an outlet for China-made products. I remember when they used to have American-made products spotlighted as you walked into the store. I'm very happy to see that I don't buy any other products on the list. Thanks for posting it.
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