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Old 08-25-2015, 07:47 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Redraven View Post
I, too, would not have read the book.
Mainly because if I had read it, and written a review, the review would have been so far from what the "teacher" wanted that it would probably have been given an "F" anyway, so I might as well get an "F" for not reading it.
No, I am not a raging fundamentalist Christian. However, I do have personal values that I will not compromise for anybody. One of those values is not reading pornography. That book sounds like porn to me, so I would not read it.
I would gladly accept the "F" on the assignment, then dropped the class and found one that is more acceptable to MY personal values!
It is not porn. So you would possibly waste thousand dollars on a class because you refuse to do a simple assignment?

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Old 08-25-2015, 07:50 AM
 
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This is what always perplexes me about the current American culture. We've gone too politically correct and prude that we're afraid of reading a book that might "challenge" our beliefs.
Isn't broadening your horizon the point of going to college? I've had to read materials that I don't like and don't feel anything for (the Bible for once), but I still did it and completed my assignments and voiced my opinions. What's so hard about that?
I was raised to be extremely anti-Muslims and xenophobic, but the classes I took in college opened up my eyes and I'm truly glad I've taken those classes.
It's just sad we condone this mentality so much nowadays. Sure you're free to believe whatever you want, the liberal mantra of equality goes both ways, but it only hurts you in the end if you refuse to open up your eyes and see the world from another perspective.
If you were raised in our public school system, a graphic novel of this sort should not be challenging your beliefs in any way, it should be reinforcing them, and it certainly should not be considered a challenge against political correctness. A challenge against prudishness I suppose. If you were raised in a religious private school or home schooling environment and wish to maintain that sort of environment in your higher education then you should be more careful about which college you choose to attend. I do not like the direction our higher education system is going in but it is pretty much a known quantity at this point. A heavy handed progressive agenda should not come as a surprise to anyone. Heck as far as I'm concerned overcoming that agenda will help a student learn to think independently and avoid the pitfalls of falling in to the groupthink trap later in life. Learning to go along to get along while holding on to your own ideals is a valuable life lesson.
 
Old 08-25-2015, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Why? Does every book about homosexuality win awards? Is every book that wins an award about homosexuality? It sounds as if you have made the same pre-judgment some of these students made.

Those of you who are careful readers will have noticed that my post was not about homosexuality, but about the entire panoply of artistic subjects that are regarded as sensitive. Homosexuality is the topic of this thread, and my post did not introduce it, but respponded to it. But what I said can be applied to a wide range of public discussion areas, which are being fostered by the artistic community in a way intended to influence or manipulate social acceptance of identifiable group

And yes, I did. My pre-judgment of the book was that it was selected not because of its literary merit, but because it attempted to be persuasive about a currently topical issue, in a way that is endorsed by an administrative body that has no business taking a stand on such issues. What would you say if a better author had written a better book that was anti-gay, and it was required reading? (Do you know what I mean by "better author, better book"? Great literature is not literature that bangs a fashionable drum.)

What is happening here is the overleaf of book-banning. With disregard for literary merit, a book here is being promoted (instead of banned) only because of the position it takes on a currently sensitive topic.

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Old 08-25-2015, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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It is not porn. So you would possibly waste thousand dollars on a class because you refuse to do a simple assignment?
Your definition of "porn" may not match mine. There is no way you can know that.

The main thing your post did, IMO, is demonstrate YOUR level of intelligence.
I am not impressed.

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Old 08-25-2015, 08:15 AM
 
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I agree. Students should also be open to reading The Book of Genesis, from The Old Testament and The Book of Revelation, from The New Testament.

"It's a book for crying out loud."
We read large chunks of the bible in my World Religions class. Get a grip.

If your professor assigns it, you generally have to read it. Otherwise, if it goes against your principals, it's quite simple: drop the class.
 
Old 08-25-2015, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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What do you think Duke should to in this instance? Simply give Fs to those who did not participate?
Give an "F" for what? The book was not assigned for a specific class. It is simply a "suggested summer reading" book from the "Duke Common Experience Committee".

I say the Duke Common Experience Committee got what they were looking for. This selection, along with the refusal by certain Christian and Muslim students to read it, has given everyone on campus something to talk about. If everyone just shrugged and read the book, or quietly skipped it, nobody would be talking about it.
 
Old 08-25-2015, 08:55 AM
 
Location: california
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I'm a Christian. I think all of those students should get a big fat "F." Books are about learning and becoming educated. Gay people aren't going anywhere. At least read the book to find some human common ground.

Seriously, all types of books feature characters that are murderers, liars, thieves, adulterers, etc. Heck, that describes a good portion of the Bible. Are they going to refuse to read most literature because the characters aren't perfect?
I would give these students A+ for having character far beyond those that claim to be educated in that school.
In the bible, those that disobeyed God got judgment .
Books the promote bad behavior are not food for the spirit they are sludge for the soul.
 
Old 08-25-2015, 08:57 AM
 
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Your definition of "porn" may not match mine. There is no way you can know that.
You also can not know whether I am lazy or not, nor do you know if I qualify for the term "ass".
The main thing your post did, IMO, is demonstrate YOUR level of intelligence.
I am not impressed.
Rabbit Run has a plot and some of it involved sex. It doesn't mean it is porn.
I don't care if you are or not impressed.
I don't like math but I don't hissing fits over it . I take classes and do the work.
I had Theater arts teacher who hated me and some of other students.
He yelled at me twice.
He would assign us boring assignments.
We sucked up and did the work .
I am in the same age group as them and I find them to be bratty and lazy.
 
Old 08-25-2015, 09:03 AM
 
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I would give these students A+ for having character far beyond those that claim to be educated in that school.
In the bible, those that disobeyed God got judgment .
Books the promote bad behavior are not food for the spirit they are sludge for the soul.
They should go to a religious college then.
This book does not promote bad behavior.
 
Old 08-25-2015, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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I would give these students A+ for having character far beyond those that claim to be educated in that school.
In the bible, those that disobeyed God got judgment .
Books the promote bad behavior are not food for the spirit they are sludge for the soul.
In college, you are going to be faced with opinions that do not jive with your own religious or moral background. I wrote an in-depth study of liberation theology - a Catholic worldview - despite being Jewish. It required me to consider the political impact of a theology that accepts Christ as a savior though I believe that is a sinful, erroneous belief. Did it kill me? No. Would I have showed character by refusing to engage in those topics? Absolutely not.

If your faith is so weak that you cannot be exposed to different views, much less defend your own point of view in discussion, then perhaps college is not for you.
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