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I'm all for teaching about world religions, especially as it pertains to history and geography. This is what school is for...learning. This is different from religious observances in schools. Unless you are prepared for little Ahmed to pray towards Mecca 5x a day in the hallway, don't expect Ahmed to participate in Christian prayers either.
This whole thread keeps making me think of the poor Duggar daughters who are forced to wear those long skirts from the time they're toddlers. How can they play in them?
I agree with this, though personally, if Ahmed prayed to Mecca and Susie said the Lord's Prayer, I'm good. I think teaching tolerance of other beliefs is good, but they should not push any single religion in school. If I want that I would send my child to Sunday school, or other appropriate venue.
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I think girls should be allowed to wear whatever they feel like as long as theirs outfits do not distract boys and teachers from school work.
As far as religion goes, I think that school is a place for academics and worshiping isn't part of it, at least in public schools.
Do not distract? Like with flashing lights and music?
To the OP, the songs are nothing new-separation of church and state.
If you go back to the original post, the OP references Christian Christmas observances. My own experience was about daily praying in public school...common accepted practice when I went to school.
Here's what the OP said about that:
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Originally Posted by chiluvr1228
My granddaughter's school just sent the new 2017-2018 school Handbook. She is 8 and will be going into 3rd grade. Uniforms are mandatory. My granddaughter has been allowed to wear shorts, skorts, pants and skirts ever since starting there in kindergarten. Now the new handbook is saying that girls in the 3rd grade and up have to wear onlypants. We are not too happy about this and neither is she. She hates wearing pants, doesn't even wear jeans. Why can't girls dress like girls? Why does she have to wear what the boys wear? Why can't she wear a jumper or a skirt just above the knee? Is this school (public charter school) trying to push some unisex agenda on the kids?
They also don't allow any type of religious songs in the Christmas show. Nothing but secular songs. I have sent an email to the school and am tempted to just send her to school in a jumper or skirt on the first day and see what happens. We are considering changing schools and are checking into the cost of a private school now. It's been a long time since I went to public school but I'm shocked at the changes. She was talking about her church event to one of the other kids and another one nearby chimed in saying we are not supposed to talk about the Lord. What the hell has happened in our schools? God is out, PC is in?
To those of you with girls would this bother you? Try and keep it civil folks. I'm not interested in comments about special snowflakes, etc. Notice I said we are talking about pulling her out of that school so you don't need to tell me to "just take her out".
I agree with this, though personally, if Ahmed prayed to Mecca and Susie said the Lord's Prayer, I'm good. I think teaching tolerance of other beliefs is good, but they should not push any single religion in school. If I want that I would send my child to Sunday school, or other appropriate venue.
I hope they do it privately. When it becomes a school sanctioned activity, the social pressure to pray to somebody - perhaps the God of whoever is popular or rich or good-looking - becomes a problem.
I think teaching tolerance of other people's beliefs is very important, as is teaching tolerance of no belief (or a belief in "science" or "natural explanations."
Schools should be able to have whatever dress code they want as long as it is applied evenly and fairly. There is something to be said for de-sexualizing kids. I've been reading the ask.fm transcripts of some of my friend's high school - and middle school! - buddies and the subject matter and language are shocking. It is like an underage porn flick without the pictures. High schoolers have always been a little racy, but middle school? C'mon, really?
They taught my daughter all about how to masturbate when she was in 3rd grade, but she couldn't say Merry Christmas
For all their "knowledge is power" sex education, I was the one who had to tell her how to use birth control pills, condoms, foam, etc. Even the doctor who prescribed the birth control pills didn't explain it to her! She actually looked at me dumbfounded and said "Mom, how did you know all that?"
They taught my daughter all about how to masturbate when she was in 3rd grade, but she couldn't say Merry Christmas
For all their "knowledge is power" sex education, I was the one who had to tell her how to use birth control pills, condoms, foam, etc. Even the doctor who prescribed the birth control pills didn't explain it to her! She actually looked at me dumbfounded and said "Mom, how did you know all that?"
They taught my daughter all about how to masturbate when she was in 3rd grade, but she couldn't say Merry Christmas
Um, what?!
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She must have been related to the one who informed our faculty that we should include the origin of Christmas in the history curriculum, because everyone should know history.
Well, why not? In world history classes, why not teach the origins of religions, including Christianity? There is absolutely no doubt that Jesus Christ of Nazareth turned the world absolutely on its ear, changed the entire course of humanity, even causing the world to orient the marking of time from before and after Jesus of Nazareth was born. (that's what BC and AD come from, BTW, for those who may not know. Before Christ and Anno Domini, after God). As a world, we mark time from before and after Jesus Christ was born.
It's up to the individual to decide whether Jesus of Nazareth was the divine son of God, or merely an incredibly gifted charismatic leader who had thousands of the poor and disenfranchised following him, which caused the Roman government to fear him and Pontius Pilate to put him to death on the cross, and King Herod to wipe out nearly an entire population of small boys in the effort to put this one annointed and prophesied child to death when he was just 2 years old. This same child Herod feared but failed to kill grew into a man who led the masses to a revolt. Very interesting coincidence, would make for a good history discussion. King Herod tried with all his might to kill him as a baby, and wow, coincidentally, he became such a profound leader that the powers that were in force executed him as an adult out of fear of his ability to lead the poor into revolt that was overturning their society.
If you don't believe all those things are true - you aren't a student of history. It's up to you to decide whether he was more than human. The rest is absolutely factual history, and King Herod's incredible castle still stands as testament that the National Geographic magazine did a full issue on a couple years ago. Jesus Christ of Nazareth existed, without an argument from anyone who studies history, and changed the world dramatically.
So. Why in the world shouldn't world history classes teach this? I'm really puzzled and would like an answer. The most influential human who ever lived, whether or not you believe he was divine or not.
I hope they do it privately. When it becomes a school sanctioned activity, the social pressure to pray to somebody - perhaps the God of whoever is popular or rich or good-looking - becomes a problem.
I think teaching tolerance of other people's beliefs is very important, as is teaching tolerance of no belief (or a belief in "science" or "natural explanations."
Schools should be able to have whatever dress code they want as long as it is applied evenly and fairly. There is something to be said for de-sexualizing kids. I've been reading the ask.fm transcripts of some of my friend's high school - and middle school! - buddies and the subject matter and language are shocking. It is like an underage porn flick without the pictures. High schoolers have always been a little racy, but middle school? C'mon, really?
Who said anything about these kids praying as a group? This conversation reminds me of the old game of "telephone". Grandmother complains about kids not being allowed to sing religious Christmas carols and the next thing we're talking about prayer in the schools being allowed!
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Originally Posted by ClaraC
Well, why not? In world history classes, why not teach the origins of religions, including Christianity? There is absolutely no doubt that Jesus Christ of Nazareth turned the world absolutely on its ear, changed the entire course of humanity, even causing the world to orient the marking of time from before and after Jesus of Nazareth was born. (that's what BC and AD come from, BTW, for those who may not know. Before Christ and Anno Domini, after God). As a world, we mark time from before and after Jesus Christ was born.
It's up to the individual to decide whether Jesus of Nazareth was the divine son of God, or merely an incredibly gifted charismatic leader who had thousands of the poor and disenfranchised following him, which caused the Roman government to fear him and Pontius Pilate to put him to death on the cross, and King Herod to wipe out nearly an entire population of small boys in the effort to put this one annointed and prophesied child to death when he was just 2 years old. This same child Herod feared but failed to kill grew into a man who led the masses to a revolt. Very interesting coincidence, would make for a good history discussion. King Herod tried with all his might to kill him as a baby, and wow, coincidentally, he became such a profound leader that the powers that were in force executed him as an adult out of fear of his ability to lead the poor into revolt that was overturning their society.
If you don't believe all those things are true - you aren't a student of history. It's up to you to decide whether he was more than human. The rest is absolutely factual history, and King Herod's incredible castle still stands as testament that the National Geographic magazine did a full issue on a couple years ago. Jesus Christ of Nazareth existed, without an argument from anyone who studies history, and changed the world dramatically.
So. Why in the world shouldn't world history classes teach this? I'm really puzzled and would like an answer. The most influential human who ever lived, whether or not you believe he was divine or not.
So. They do. See my previous post on this matter. Why do people just parachute into a thread and not read the preceding posts?
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