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Old 05-01-2019, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Frisco, TX
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I’m kind of surprised that she wrote anything at all on the test. My children's teachers do not write much because they say that it clutters up the paper and makes it sloppy looking. They also said that they would prefer verbally to communicate to a child praise or constructive criticism.
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Old 05-01-2019, 11:50 AM
 
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The kid deserves a trophy for participation. Oh wait...
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Old 05-01-2019, 12:03 PM
 
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Do you have to count to know that 8 + 3 = 11 or 2 + 2 = 4 or 9 + 5 = 14? Or that 9 - 6 = 3, 5 - 3 = 2 or 12 - 7 = 5?
I have to count - usually on my fingers. I never learned arithmetic. I was a product of the public school system in Los Angeles in the early 1960s during its failed "New Math" experiment. "If Jimmy has 4 bananas and Susan as 2 apples, how does Mark feel about the War in Vietnam?"

While I can't add a column of numbers or figure out the tip at a restaurant without a calculator, I had no problem with abstraction, and excelled at mathematics in secondary school, as an undergrad and in graduate school (both pure and applied).
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Old 05-01-2019, 12:23 PM
 
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Well, I sure hope the child is shielded from the notoriety that the Dad instigated by going public. What could have been a private conference with a positive resolution for Kamdyn is now out in the world. Poor kid.

Who’s feelings were hurt more? Kamdyn or the Dad?
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Old 05-01-2019, 01:00 PM
 
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I have to count - usually on my fingers. I never learned arithmetic. I was a product of the public school system in Los Angeles in the early 1960s during its failed "New Math" experiment. "If Jimmy has 4 bananas and Susan as 2 apples, how does Mark feel about the War in Vietnam?"

While I can't add a column of numbers or figure out the tip at a restaurant without a calculator, I had no problem with abstraction, and excelled at mathematics in secondary school, as an undergrad and in graduate school (both pure and applied).
Interesting. It sounds like your school was not really doing the new math though.

University of Illinois and Stanford did a lot to develop the new math.

https://www.americanheritage.com/wha...ned-new-math-0

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Chief among the hierophants were the University of Illinois’s Max Beberman and Stanford’s Edward Begle. Together with mathematicians and educators at universities in New York, Indiana, Massachusetts, Minnesota, and Maryland, they took aim at the mindless rigidity of traditional mathematics. They argued that math could be exciting if it showed children the whys of problem solving rather than just the hows. Memorization and rote were wrong. Discovery, deduction, and limited drill were the best routes to arithmetical mastery.
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New math became a pejorative term. And because it was difficult to know if trying to understand the structure of math made it any easier, most teachers deserted discovery learning without any pangs. Still, few would dispute that there now is a willingness to teach tougher concepts in the primary grades. The reordering of high school math—putting all geometry together in the tenth grade, for example—also seems to be a lasting change. So, too, does the continuing move of calculus from college to a high school senior course.
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Old 05-01-2019, 01:25 PM
 
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I’m kind of surprised that she wrote anything at all on the test. My children's teachers do not write much because they say that it clutters up the paper and makes it sloppy looking. They also said that they would prefer verbally to communicate to a child praise or constructive criticism.
I would bet that the person is a young, rookie teacher without many years of experience.

Veteran teachers wouldn’t do something like this.
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Old 05-01-2019, 01:32 PM
 
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This is not a common core curriculum issue. It is a memorization of math facts issue. Flash cards can be used both at home and at school.
Go back and read what I wrote. I didn't say this was a common core math problem (i don't know what format it was). I was comparing the irony of this thread blaming the parents for not teaching math at home vs threads blaming parents for teaching math at home.
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Old 05-01-2019, 02:08 PM
 
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Go back and read what I wrote. I didn't say this was a common core math problem (i don't know what format it was). I was comparing the irony of this thread blaming the parents for not teaching math at home vs threads blaming parents for teaching math at home.
This is not *teaching* math at home though. It is memorizing math facts at home and at school.
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Old 05-01-2019, 03:37 PM
 
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Interesting. It sounds like your school was not really doing the new math though.
You could be right.

One particularly stupid problem I remember:

The color temperature of one star is 2400 degrees Kelvin, and another is 4900 degrees Kelvin. What do you get when you add them together?



My reply was something along the lines of "Why would you ever add together two color temperatures?"
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Old 05-01-2019, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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The color temperature of one star is 2400 degrees Kelvin, and another is 4900 degrees Kelvin. What do you get when you add them together?
A super nova?
A black hole?
A worm hole?
The Big Bang?


I always hated the problems with the trains. If train A leaves Chicago heading east at 40mph and train B leaves New York heading west at 50mph how many people are gonna die when they crash?




Anyway, back to the teacher thing. A kid is never too young to get prepared for the day his boss says: "Your performance is absolutely pathetic, you're fired."
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