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Old 06-04-2012, 11:16 AM
 
Location: NC
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Religion isn't really that important to most American voters - that is a myth perpetuated by the godless left who wish to demonize people of faith and insinuate that we are trying to institute a "theocracy" - when nothing could be further from the truth.

Everyday on this forum - someone tries to call me the "American Taliban". That only demonstrates how uninformed - and politically desperate those individuals are.

Integrity and leadership are more important than faith or political ideology. That is why Mitt Romney is gaining support from people who wouldn't otherwise support him - because he is the best chance we have to unseat President Obama - who is not a leader - and whose policies have weakened this nation.
Maybe not in California, but in the South it is absolutely important. Mitt Romney lost the South Carolina primary in large part because a huge number of voters said he did not share their "values" which at the time was obvious code for "he is Mormon and Newt isn't." This was despite a strong showing in Iowa and a really strong showing in NH.

Additionally while Romney will probably win most of the south he will struggle in NC and VA.
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Old 06-04-2012, 12:07 PM
 
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Romney will be strongly influenced by his Mormon beliefs. Mormonism is not a Christian religion. It is not even a Christian heresy. It is a religion that has no real connection to Christianity except maybe at a semantic level.

Romney a fifth-generation Mormon, is deeply indoctrinated into the Mormon church and its hierarchy, and previously served as both a Mormon Bishop and Stake President of his church in Massachusetts. The Mormon church is a top-down type of institution with a structure not unlike a large corporation, where the Mormon hierarchy is very actively involved in supporting socially conservative causes throughout the country through their influence peddling and spending large sums of money - When it comes to the conservative social agenda, the Mormon Church does not respect the separation of church and state.

The Mormon Board of Directors is located on Temple Square in Salt Lake, led by their Mormon Prophet (CEO), his two counselors and a board called the Quorum of Twelve Apostles, many of these Mormon officials are former businessmen who have ties to Romney and his family. The 15 men have complete and total authority over the Mormon church and are responsible for there lay officials who directly report to them from around the U.S. and other areas of world where Mormons pitch their beliefs.

The leader of the Mormon church is referred to as a "Prophet, Seer, and Reveler", meaning that he thinks he speaks directly with God. I do not want a President who believes that he has a pipeline to his Mormon God, or is influenced by his Mormon advisers at Temple Square who whisper their weird beliefs into Mitt's ear each day and influence his decision making as the leader of the free world.

There is absolutely no indication or example that Mitt Romney let his religion influence his leadership of MA. If anything, at times, he took stands contrary to that. I have no fear that he will use his position as president to try and turn America into Mormons.

I am well aware of Mitt Romney's history with the LDS faith and it doesn't bother me in the least.
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Old 06-04-2012, 12:11 PM
 
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Maybe not in California, but in the South it is absolutely important. Mitt Romney lost the South Carolina primary in large part because a huge number of voters said he did not share their "values" which at the time was obvious code for "he is Mormon and Newt isn't." This was despite a strong showing in Iowa and a really strong showing in NH.

Additionally while Romney will probably win most of the south he will struggle in NC and VA.


If Mitt Romney were to lose either NC or VA, and it isn't looking like that will happen, it won't have anything to do with religion.
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Old 06-04-2012, 12:17 PM
 
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That's very interesting because Martin Luther King was killed in 1968, 10 years before black men could fully participate in Mormon church rites -- If MLK were alive during this time he would have been marching on Temple Square in Salt Lake City demanding full equality for black men in the LDS church.

In 1954 the U.S. Supreme Court, Brown vs. Board of Education, desegregated all public schools. In 1964 civil rights laws gave full equality to Black Americans, but it wasn't until 1978 that the Mormon church decided to allow blacks to participate fully.


The same thing could be said of several different religions and denominations. Research the Southern Baptists and let us know what you find about their history and the black folks.
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Old 06-04-2012, 12:20 PM
 
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If Mitt Romney were to lose either NC or VA, and it isn't looking like that will happen, it won't have anything to do with religion.
RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - Virginia: Romney vs. Obama

In VA Mitt Romney is losing. If Obama wins Chesapeake by a larger margin then last time, and flips VA beach or Lynchburg to blue. It will be pretty clear that that is religion at work and people not showing up for Romney.
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Old 06-04-2012, 12:25 PM
 
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I could care less about Romney's religion nor do most Christians, Jews, Hindus and so on.

He's going to win in a landslide no matter what stunts you try.
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Old 06-04-2012, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Laguna Beach previously Longhorn Nation
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There is absolutely no indication or example that Mitt Romney let his religion influence his leadership of MA.
I disagree with your statement -- Romney is a product of his Mormon culture and his tendency to say whatever is necessary, including blatantly lying as he has demonstrated on numerous occasions, is a key component of his Mormon character. The Mormon doctrine, tenets, including lying for the lord and Mormon ideology of Mitt's religion have demonstrated a highly influential intensity and exclusively in forming Mitt's very essence --- Romney was long ago singled out by his church as a destined leader by the Mormon Hierarchy and was groomed for prominent positions in his church, which evolved first as a missionary, then as a Mormon Bishop, and as a Mormon Stake President, becoming the highest-ranking Mormon leader in Boston – the equivalent of a cardinal in the Roman Catholic Church.

Mormon hierarchy and probably Mitt's entire family believe that he is the chosen one, the one who is divinely authorized to fulfill Joseph Smith's prophecy to become U.S. President. Romney will never discuss this, but Polygamist Mormon Founder Joseph Smith ran for president as an independent commander in chief of the so called “army of God” pleading to overthrow the U.S. government in favor of a Mormon-ruled theocracy - LOL. Challenging future President, James Polk, Polygamist Mormon Joseph Smith stated that if the U.S. Congress did not comply to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God will damn them.” Smith’s insertion of religion into politics created hostility from the outside the Mormon world. Smith's candidacy was cut short when he was shot to death while in Prison awaiting trial by a vigilante mob in Carthage Illinois. Romney’s candidacy is part of the eternal plan that the Mormon candidate is fulfilling, the destiny begun in what the Mormon church calls the “pre-existence".


"Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (John Taylor, third Prophet and President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167)


Lying for the Lord - MormonWiki.org

Ten Lies I Told as a Mormon Missionary | Mormonism Research Ministry

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Old 06-04-2012, 01:27 PM
 
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If Mitt Romney were to lose either NC or VA, and it isn't looking like that will happen, it won't have anything to do with religion.
I will grant you he will probably win North Carolina, but Mitt Romney has still got work to do to win Virginia.

2012 - POLITICO.com

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Virginia '12 General Election
Barack Obama 46%
Mitt Romney 42%
Undecided 11%
None of the above 1%
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Old 06-04-2012, 01:29 PM
 
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OK, we get it, techwired, you're an obama supporter. However, one would think you'd have similar concerns with obama's Muslim and black racist church background.
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Old 06-04-2012, 01:33 PM
 
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There is absolutely no indication or example that Mitt Romney let his religion influence his leadership of MA. If anything, at times, he took stands contrary to that. I have no fear that he will use his position as president to try and turn America into Mormons.

I am well aware of Mitt Romney's history with the LDS faith and it doesn't bother me in the least.
Too bad your singular vote won't be the deciding factor in the 2012 presidential election.

Poll: Romney behind Bush, McCain in evangelical support - Los Angeles Times


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Even before he announced his support for same-sex marriage, President Obama was badly trailing Republican Mitt Romney among evangelical Christians, the group most committed to traditional forms of marriage, according to a new poll about the attitudes of religious voters.

Romney led Obama by 68% to 19% among evangelicals in the poll released Thursday by the Public Religion Research Institute and the Religion News Service. The nationwide poll was conducted over four days ending Sunday, well before Obama's remarks about same-sex marriage. (And no questions were asked on that topic.)

The good news for the Obama campaign is that Romney doesn't have as much support yet among evangelicals as Republican John McCain did in the 2008 election, when exit polls showed that he had captured 73% of the evangelical vote. George W. Bush did even better in 2004, when he claimed 79% of evangelicals.

But the poll does suggest erosion for Obama, who received 26% of the evangelical vote in 2008.

Other interesting tidbits:

Despite his tussles over the contraception mandate in the new healthcare program, Obama still has a lead among Catholic voters, 46% to 39%, according to the poll. He also leads among mainline Protestant voters and those with no religious affiliation.


Only about half of the voters responding to the survey could identify Romney as a Mormon. The percentage has barely moved since October 2011, when 49% were aware of his faith as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. In the latest poll, the number stood at 51%. That may be fine with Romney, who almost never mentions his religious affiliation.

The poll was conducted by phone with 1,006 adults. The margin of error was plus or minus 3.8 percentage points.
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