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Old 06-13-2012, 02:51 PM
 
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Actually, it depends on what they believe and why so I stand by what I said.
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Old 06-13-2012, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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The debates will win it for Obama.
Agreed. All he has to do is keep asking Romney whether he's going to stay with position #1 or #2, his position before or after the flip-flop. Plus, Mrs. Romney won't be allowed to sit in for her husband.
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Old 06-13-2012, 03:33 PM
 
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Oh, you mean like flip-floppy obama??
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Old 06-13-2012, 03:45 PM
 
Location: it depends
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If Romney loses either Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio or Virginia, he is done. He has to win too many toss up states to even have a fighting chance.
If Obama does not reach 270 electoral votes, he will lose.
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Old 06-13-2012, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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I call headline fraud. As someone already pointed out, the most recent poll linked has Romney up. The other June poll from 'we ask America' (never heard of them before) is week ending 6-6 and has Obama up. The other polls listed are from May and out of date.

If Obama is not well ahead in a blue state like WI at this point, he's in deep trouble.
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Old 06-13-2012, 04:18 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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I call headline fraud. As someone already pointed out, the most recent poll linked has Romney up. The other June poll from 'we ask America' (never heard of them before) is week ending 6-6 and has Obama up. The other polls listed are from May and out of date.

If Obama is not well ahead in a blue state like WI at this point, he's in deep trouble.
And does that go for romney also?
RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - North Carolina: Romney vs. Obama

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - Florida: Romney vs. Obama
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Old 06-13-2012, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Texas
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NC and FL are both swing states. You could argue that NC is traditionally a red state, but FL has been a swing state for many years.

And, no, what wutitiz said doesn't go for Romney also (even if we were talking about solid red states). Incumbents' performance in polls is a far more important number to look at than challengers' performance...especially when there are still 5 months until the election. What's most important is the incumbent's approval rating. The last time an incumbent president got a greater percentage of the vote than their approval rating (nationally at least) was Carter in 1980...and he still lost in a landslide.

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Old 06-13-2012, 05:16 PM
 
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In the interest of consistancy and fairness........people are not idiots just because they have different beliefs than you do.
Amen.
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Old 06-13-2012, 09:13 PM
 
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Neither one of those states are the topic of the thread.
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Old 06-13-2012, 09:57 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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If Romney loses either Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio or Virginia, he is done. He has to win too many toss up states to even have a fighting chance.

the way obama is going, I would not be suprised if romney won california.
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