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Will this party be for or against abortion. Oops, I just destroyed your third party.
One trick ponies (issue) are already content with the DEMS/REPUBS. They would have NO impact on the
success of a third party, as they never leave their stalls
Does anyone think that this country will actually have a strong third party (Independent/libertarian) that can go up against the republicrats?!? Especially for president.
"Vote republicrat because your vote means nothing anyway".
we will never have a third party in this country. at least not for long. as happened in the 1850s, the republican party was the third party, at the time the democrat and whig partys were the big two. as republican party strength became stronger, the whig party went away, the liberals went to the demcorat party, and the conservatives became republicans. the same thing will happen today if a third party were ever to get started in earnest.
and a third party would have to start at the grass roots level, and grow from there. what ever third party is created would have to be a force to be reckoned with in all 50 states at the local and state level before they went national.
[quote=noexcuseforignorance;24853520]Will this party be for or against abortion. Oops, I just destroyed your third party.[/quote
I wonder if anyone did a state by state poll on abortions? Would the results vary greatly by state? What if it was voted on state by state & majority ruled? I don't think a president or governor can decide for all.
Perhaps each party could vote on it? Some people want abortion banned, some want it limited, some may want it unlimited. I won't say much on abortion because as a man I would never have to make that difficult decision.
Libertarians are about shrinking govt. They are the 3rd largest & fastest growing party. You don't have to be registered as a Libertarian to vote for one. I think Gary Johnson will probably beat H Ross Perot's 19%. I think the Green Party may be 4th largest with tens of millions of mentions on internet. Socialists are fractured into 7 or 8 parties. Other parties may get big if they get a well known person to run. And there will be independent candidates that don't want to take orders from a party.
If the Constitution doesn't say anything about abortion or some other issue, all rights not listed in the Constitution would be decided by the states. Of course, some running this country have no trouble giving the Feds more rights than the Constitution allowed, whenever it helps the bribers and bribees.
As things are now, we have few if any guaranteed rights. Most in both major parties voted for un-Constitutional bills, often without reading them. But I heard Congress got handed a 1,000 page bill & were required to vote on it in 1 hour.
Gary Johnson wants our Constitutional rights restored. He's not running for dictator & would be fine with the states deciding most things. The people of New Mexico gave him a second term as Governor, even thought NM generally votes Democratic & he ran as Republican. He really held down spending.
None of Gary Johnson's issue positions are based on greed. He's for the 100%, equally. He can't be bribed. He will take his business motto to DC "the best service for the lowest price".
To all the people who say Gary Johnson can't win, have you looked at his website? He goes into such details on all the issues, what his positions are & what the benefits would be, & has the Romney & Obama positions on there, too. So right there you can check to see which candidate is right for you.
His campaign will be expanding into paid radio ads. He says he thinks he will need about $2,500 for this. I'm very excited to see him planning more events. His campaign has about 30 videos on You Tube, plus more from his fans. He's been on Fox, MSNBC, Comedy Central, National Public Radio npr.org, WABC in New York (worldwide on wabc.com).
This soft-spoken frugal millionaire is no elitist, built himself a modest house. He works & plays hard- mountain climbing, paragliding, skiing & does those triathalons where they swim 2.4 miles, run 26.2 miles & bike 112 miles. He built a construction company from just himself to over 1,000 employees when he sold it 23 years later. Can't? Gary Johnson loves extreme challenges! Best wishes to all.
As usual, ideologies and social pet-peeves are childish obfuscations and should not be part of an intelligent discussion.
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Originally Posted by burdell
... there's too much $$$ at stake and the entrenched parties will fight tooth and nail to make sure it only gets split two ways.
To be sure, the $$$ argument is highly relevant, but there is a major technical factor which no-one seems to notice.
The chances of a successful ongoing three-party system is highly unlikely in the US simply because it has a single-seat per district, first-past-the-post (FPTP), winner-take-all electoral system, not a multi-seat per district proportional system (but divvying money among parties is a mundane reality in proportional-system countries as well). Third parties do develop in the US from time to time, but any significant electoral success is usually accompanied by the demise of one of the two existing parties, thus the two-party system simply rolls over.
Now, the UK also uses the FPTP system and has three parties, but two parties usually dominate, though the current government is a coalition of two parties with one party in opposition, highly unusual.
An intelligent discussion of this issue has to revolve around the electoral system and its relative merits given the size of the sovereign state.
China and even still Russia are basically one-party dictatorships, Brazil has experimented with all kinds of electoral systems, perhaps reflecting its fluctuating stability/instability, the European Union is a collection of proportional-system states and they are currently grappling with a sovereignty crisis and how it relates to the monetary system and debt. Adults can figure it out.
Once that key aspect of the discussion is placed at the center, then you can revert to indulging in childish ideologies and social pet-peeves, but in the end it will still also revolve around the allocation of resources in the society (i.e. $$$).
Does anyone think that this country will actually have a strong third party (Independent/libertarian) that can go up against the republicrats?!? Especially for president.
"Vote republicrat because your vote means nothing anyway".
Libertarian Presidential candidate Gary Johnson says let's try a 1 time experiment: Vote Libertarian. If people don't like peace, prosperity & freedom, in 4 years we can vote tyranny back into office.
Both Obama & Romney have no problem with hundreds of thousands of harmless Americans locked up, perhaps including cancer patients. The US imprisons 5 times as many as the world average, due to our phony drug war that cost taxpayers $40B a year. Both like wars: a million killed, billions made, another trillion $ deficit for taxpayers They don't seem worried that our country is the 2nd most polluted in the world, or that US life expectancy is down to 50th place, despite us spending the most on health care. No pollution reductions are required before 2020. Gary J against drug war & most other wars.
BO & MR don't seem bothered that we have a cancer epidemic caused by the approval of 85,000 toxins in our air, water, soil & food. These days, eating many foods is hardly safer than smoking cigarettes! 400,000 a year dying from food grown with toxic fertilizers, herbicides & insecticides. Now they're going to come out with a new herbicide made with 1 of the 2 ingredients in Agent Orange! The US has a cancer death rate of about 30%, compared to the world average of 13%. Cannabis Oil is reported in recent anecdotes as curing many with cancer & other painful & sometimes fatal illnesses. Cannabis Oil was in pharmacies until 1937. Gary J would re-legalize cannabis, 90% reduction in cost with 100% tax.
I just think voting for Obama or Romney is like agreeing to lots of unnecessary deaths. They may not have started these problems but seem to have a desire to keep them going. The US has a 6% death rate in first year of life. A popular internet doctor says many of these deaths are caused by multiple vaccinations almost forced before 1st birthday. Some blame autism on these shots.
I'm just concentrating on sickness & death as I study lots of medical stuff.
Libertarian Presidential candidate Gary Johnson says let's try a 1 time experiment: Vote Libertarian. If people don't like peace, prosperity & freedom, in 4 years we can vote tyranny back into office.
Both Obama & Romney have no problem with hundreds of thousands of harmless Americans locked up, perhaps including cancer patients. The US imprisons 5 times as many as the world average, due to our phony drug war that cost taxpayers $40B a year. Both like wars: a million killed, billions made, another trillion $ deficit for taxpayers They don't seem worried that our country is the 2nd most polluted in the world, or that US life expectancy is down to 50th place, despite us spending the most on health care. No pollution reductions are required before 2020. Gary J against drug war & most other wars.
BO & MR don't seem bothered that we have a cancer epidemic caused by the approval of 85,000 toxins in our air, water, soil & food. These days, eating many foods is hardly safer than smoking cigarettes! 400,000 a year dying from food grown with toxic fertilizers, herbicides & insecticides. Now they're going to come out with a new herbicide made with 1 of the 2 ingredients in Agent Orange! The US has a cancer death rate of about 30%, compared to the world average of 13%. Cannabis Oil is reported in recent anecdotes as curing many with cancer & other painful & sometimes fatal illnesses. Cannabis Oil was in pharmacies until 1937. Gary J would re-legalize cannabis, 90% reduction in cost with 100% tax.
I just think voting for Obama or Romney is like agreeing to lots of unnecessary deaths. They may not have started these problems but seem to have a desire to keep them going. The US has a 6% death rate in first year of life. A popular internet doctor says many of these deaths are caused by multiple vaccinations almost forced before 1st birthday. Some blame autism on these shots.
I'm just concentrating on sickness & death as I study lots of medical stuff.
While all those problems may be very real and very serious, how much attention to them is paid by the public?
Do we hear a steady outcry over the number of convicts in our system? Does our environmental issues come up daily in our news, conversations with each other, and our private thoughts? Are many of us pressuring with all our might to see cannabis oil legalized?
Nope. When it comes to convicts, Americans seem to be more than happy to pay the price of perceived security from criminals. Half of us doesn't care about the environmental concerns unless some calamity is in their back yard. Half of us don't even believe the Earth is warming. Cannabis is becoming more widely accepted now, but it still has a long way to go.
Our health care system has been the object of intense debate for the past 2 1/2 years. Most of us want it, but a lot of us do not.
While Johnson is trying to sell peace and freedom, the country is very divided as to what both words mean and how to achieve either. Most of us don't believe our freedom is being abrogated, and for most of us, one man's liberty is another man's tyranny.
Trying to sell an agenda the majority is indifferent to won't win much for Johnson. And in these uncertain and tense times, fewer of us are willing to risk 4 the next years on an unknown. 2008 taught us all what comes from risking it all on an unknown, and voters are loathe to repeat that anytime soon.
Libertarian Presidential candidate Gary Johnson says let's try a 1 time experiment: Vote Libertarian. If people don't like peace, prosperity & freedom, in 4 years we can vote tyranny back into office.
Sounds good to me except I think most folks like the thought of "happiness is such a fleeting thing"
i think the tea party and the occupy movement have a lot more in common than they realize. it's certainly not unrealistic to think that a pro-reform, pro-individual rights party could arise in the next few years. but in this election cycle? i think we're stuck with obama and romney.
It may surprise Americans that many countries have more than three parties. There was a lot of attention paid to the recent Greek election, won by the New Democracy party over the Syriza party. Largely ignored is there were two other parties running.
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Abortions and 3rd parties
except I think most folks like the thought of "happiness is such a fleeting thing"
