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See your just a sheep following the train........... these people still have rights and abortion is still legal. What a way to pick a President, your more lost than you know.
LOL I have a doctorate in the engineering sciences, was a professor of engineering and most decidedly NOT a Republican or Conservative. Hardly a sheep.
And all along the way to my career success, it was conservative thinking I had to fight. See, I am old enough to rememeber the bad old days. When women were told by professors that it didn'[t make sense for them to get doctorates in engineering or science because they wouldn't be able to find jobs anyway. When there was no such thing as being raped by a husband. When husbands could dump their wives and not pay child support (as happened to my mother). It has always been conservatives who want to uphold the status quo of white males being entitled to the primo place at the trough by virtue of having been born with the right body parts and skin color. BC and reproductive rights has enabled women to make advances inthe workplace and in society. Take those away as the GOP is fighting so hard to do while hiding behind "Christianity" and we go back to being chattel. NO THANKS.
So keep your silly sheep remarks. Maybe they work for the other conservative Stepford wives who enjoy being kept women. I prefer being able to stand on my own two feet.
What would you do if you were faced with a fatal pregnancy? Would you die for your pro life beliefs even if you were being killed by a non viable fetus? What would you advise your daughter to do in this situation? I ask these as a personal question because your pro-life stance denies this choice to any and all women. You have to consider these unlikely but inevitable situations.
Although as a man I would never have to make this decision I would advise any woman, including my wife, sister or friend, that it is her decision but that I recommend having an abortion because I value the living person more than the potential. That is my choice and your pro-life stance, if enacted into law, would deny me the choice to offer that advice.
First of all you don't know my whole stance on abortion. There are people, including Romney that are pro-life , but not it extreme circumstances. But, since you asked, I am not ashamed to answer. For me, I would but my life in God's hands. I will not die for my pro life beliefs, but I would die for my child. Even modern medicine does not know everything and I think if put to the test I would let things happen the way they are supposed to. I don't think I could kill my child to save my life. I have one son and before I gave birth to him, I loved him with all my heart.
However in a life or death situatuation, I do not fault anyone for deciding to save their own life by having an abortion. Asking someone to not abort a child that may ultimately be the death of them is like judging a person for not going into a burning building to save another. And loving my child like I do, I would probably try to talk a daughter into aborting a risky pregnancy for my own selfishness.
Just because someone is pro-life doesn't mean they are anti-reason. Sorry to disappoint.
FWIW - We a NOT in the Mideast to protect the US and never have been. We are there to protect international petroleum companies and the World Bank. Our soldier’s lives are being sacrifices for someone's profit not for our protection. Just like in 'Nam. Got that!
Seahawlkgirl. Thank you for your response. I respect your sincerity. I am not in any way disappointed with your positions. I consider them thoughtful and well reasoned.
First of all you don't know my whole stance on abortion. There are people, including Romney that are pro-life , but not it extreme circumstances. But, since you asked, I am not ashamed to answer. For me, I would but my life in God's hands. I will not die for my pro life beliefs, but I would die for my child. Even modern medicine does not know everything and I think if put to the test I would let things happen the way they are supposed to. I don't think I could kill my child to save my life. I have one son and before I gave birth to him, I loved him with all my heart.
However in a life or death situatuation, I do not fault anyone for deciding to save their own life by having an abortion. Asking someone to not abort a child that may ultimately be the death of them is like judging a person for not going into a burning building to save another. And loving my child like I do, I would probably try to talk a daughter into aborting a risky pregnancy for my own selfishness.
Just because someone is pro-life doesn't mean they are anti-reason. Sorry to disappoint.
What about people who don't believe in a God? What about their choices?
You're right about the burning building, a lot of people wouldn't go in, they'd ask God for help instead. Their choice, but the people with no belief in God would have to run in themselves or rely on a good fire fighters experience. A woman without belief in God would have to rely on a good doctors skills to save her life.
The problem lies with religious politics. It's very difficult to talk sense to someone who believes in a God for you. It's just not logical, it's very difficult territory.
If it's only intelligent women, how come the vast majority of women who have college degrees are NOT social conservatives? Only 28% of Social conservatives have degrees while over 40% of those who do not hold such beliefs have degrees. Basically, the less educated you are, the more likely you are to believe in that nonsense...not the other way around as you'd like to think.
I'm tired of you Christians pretending to be tolerant and accepting, but then you force your wacky religion on us. Enough is enough. The world has suffered from the idiocy of organized religion for far too long. The very idea that people believe in that nonsense is shocking to me, the stuff you people believe in is not just stupid, it's downright illogical and dangerous to the world. How many more millions of people have to die in the name of your crazy superstitions before you people wake up and realize how insane Christianity is? It's no more sane than Islam. Plenty of Christian terrorists have killed (ETA, IRA, various white supremacy bombings, etc.) so you can't claim that Christians don't become terrorists.
And the aborted fetuses are not children. Most aborted fetuses don't even have a heartbeat. The heart does not even beat until about 2 months into a pregnancy.
Taking away a woman's right to choose what she does with her body is wrong and is the exact definition of Sharia Law in your words. You're telling women what they can and cannot do with their bodies and their lives. Let's say a married woman happens to be a tennis player on the verge of a major breakthrough and her birth control fails. If she gets pregnant and has a baby, her career may never recover, if she has an abortion she can make a lot of money and be better able to afford to provide her future children with a good life. Why would you want to force her to ruin her career because your silly book tells you it's wrong to have an abortion?
The only women who are pro-life to the extent of keeping other women from having their right to choose are those who believe in a silly book of fairy tales and an imaginary friend. If it wasn't for the cult you've been brainwashed by, you'd not be against choice.
Not only do you hate all religious people(that is a lot of folks you are hating on), but now if you don't have a degree, you are unintelligent.. So, basically, all the people who just disagree with you are bad? Gotcha. Why do you even come on a message board if your intellect is so superior to all us "brain washed idiots"? Do you just have an undeniable urge to spew hate into cyberspace? Yup. You are AWESOME!
FWIW - We a NOT in the Mideast to protect the US and never have been. We are there to protect international petroleum companies and the World Bank. Our soldier’s lives are being sacrifices for someone's profit not for our protection. Just like in 'Nam. Got that!
I totally agree. Not only that but we send kids out fighting in the name of God for it. What a shame. I'm not religious but it seems to me to be the opposite of their saviors message but yet they allow that one with no issue.
Seahawlkgirl. Thank you for your response. I respect your sincerity. I am not in any way disappointed with your positions. I consider them thoughtful and well reasoned.
Thank you GregW. I wish other's were open minded about other's opinion's.
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Originally Posted by PoppySead
What about people who don't believe in a God? What about their choices?
You're right about the burning building, a lot of people wouldn't go in, they'd ask God for help instead. Their choice, but the people with no belief in God would have to run in themselves or rely on a good fire fighters experience. A woman without belief in God would have to rely on a good doctors skills to save her life.
The problem lies with religious politics. It's very difficult to talk sense to someone who believes in a God for you. It's just not logical, it's very difficult territory.
I can't speak for other Christian's. Maybe their whole belief against abortion is solely based on religion. But, I have thought about it in different ways also. Even if I didn't believe in God, I think I would still love the world. The agnostics and atheists that I have met in real life seem to be very careing people. Now, a lot of the ones I have met on message boards don't seem so loving, but I digress. Taking out the "God" part of it, I still realize, based on history, that a culture of people who do not believe in the sanctity of human life is led to not have a respect for it and a possible beginning to the decline of valueing the life of their fellow man. We have seen the horrors of how humans have treated others so badly. We can still see it in other countries today. When I think of the Holocaust that was just in the last century, it scares me. When I hear people say that they value a woman's choice and rights over the value of a child that has no voice, it worries me. On this MB I have read posts from those that value animal rights over humans and other's that want to legalize canalbalism. I'm afraid that us humans are our own worst enemy.
On a scientific level, a fertilzed egg inside a woman is a human life.
Genetically it is human based on it's DNA. And based on all scientific proof life, it is a life. So, even without God, I believe I would still draw the same conclusion. Human life is important and should not be thought of as unimportant based mainly on what is convenient for another.
To bad your only worry is aborting children, women should have taken more responsibility to not getting pregnant. For some pregnancy does just happen, but that a small portion. There's other worries out there than just abortion and BC to bad the left only has to those two things to campaign on and thats all you can worry about. I for one see world policies and danger much more of a threat than worrying about someone having unprotected sex.
You see, there's about 5,000,000,000 people in the world who do not believe in your crazy superstitions, so they should not be subject to laws based on that silly book.
One can get pregnant from protected sex. One can also be married and on birth control and still get pregnant when not ready for a child.
Also, people will give in to urges sometimes, and why should you punish society for 2 people's indiscretions? Most abortions happen because the woman is unprepared or can't afford to be a mother, we don't need more children from those kinds of situations in this already over-crowded world. If you really care about the future, stop clinging to 2,000 year old superstitions and look at the world around you. Only 36% of women support Romney, and I GUARANTEE that at least 90% of those women are primitive Christians.
Take responsibility for yourself, it's not others job to do this for you. By the way BC is very cheap and Plan Parenthood will give it out for free if you are poor or in need.
Not if Romney gets in there and does away with Planned Parenthood.
And I am referring to my insurance providing birth control as they would any drug - you know like how they are more than willing to provide Viagra for the men folk.
I am an intelligent woman, care about the economy and voting for Obama.
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. So, basically, all the people who just disagree with you are bad? Gotcha. Why do you even come on a message board if your intellect is so superior to all us "brain washed idiots"? Do you just have an undeniable urge to spew hate into cyberspace? Yup. You are AWESOME! 
