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Old 09-30-2012, 10:19 AM
 
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Apparently one of your liberal friends cuts and pastes an article and you take it at face value. Sad.. You didnt even bother to ask whether the unemployment rate cited in his article was the 'real' unemployment rate or not. A nice proxy indeed for the blind hero worship exercised by Obama Husseins followers.
Obama has created more private sector jobs in his first two years than W did during his entire presidency. Obama also has had 30 straight months of positive job creation, and that's with the GOP trash trying to sabotage the nation at all costs.

You would have to be mentally ill to support the GOP in this day and age after the nightmare they did to the nation.
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Old 09-30-2012, 10:23 AM
 
Location: West Egg
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The real unemployment rate is 23% TODAY. The real unemployment rate is cited in that liberal ny rag article you have cut and paste . The unemployment rate was 7.5 % back then if you measure it with the same metrics that Obamas 8.2 % is measured with. As I was saying before uneducated Obama voters, or at the least intellectually dishonest. Additionally the unemployment rate was lower for Roosevelt than it was when he took office. The same cant be said for Obama. For some reason you forgot to mention that
Oh, you were talking about the super-duper secret unemployment rate that is only revealed to "people in the know" ... like you...

I seriously wonder how you even type that with even a shred of self-respect!

I am not surprised at all that you went with the logical fallacy of a juvenile ad hominem attack on the New York Times. I guess you're too clueless to understand that Nate Silver does not work for the Times -- they simply carry his statistical analysis column. If you weren't too cowardly to do so, you might have clicked on the link to see that Silver has sourced his data with a hyperlink to Wikipedia, which sources its data with a further hyperlink directly to the federal Bureau Of Labor Statistics. Sadly, you are too cowardly to do such a thing.

Anyway, thanks for doubling down on the hilarity of your "people sure are dumb!" comment!

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Old 09-30-2012, 10:24 AM
 
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Obama has created more private sector jobs in his first two years than W did during his entire presidency. Obama also has had 30 straight months of positive job creation, and that's with the GOP trash trying to sabotage the nation at all costs.

You would have to be mentally ill to support the GOP in this day and age after the nightmare they did to the nation.


It doesnt bother you that Obama is one of only a very few Presidents who has a higher unemployment rate than it was when he assumed office? I support Ron Paul. My vote doesnt matter.
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Old 09-30-2012, 10:26 AM
 
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Oh, you were talking about the super-duper secret unemployment rate that is only revealed to "people in the know" ... like you...

I seriously wonder how you even type that with even a shred of self-respect!

Anyway, thanks for doubling down on the hilarity of your "people sure are dumb!" comment!

Its common knowledge that there is a real unemployment rate, and a government cited employment rate. These numbers are accessible to anybody who wants them. Toodles Mr. Green behind the Ears
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Old 09-30-2012, 10:26 AM
 
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By the end of October, the administration will work the un-employment number down to 7.6 or close to that just to fool the fools (read liberal here).
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Old 09-30-2012, 10:27 AM
 
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I've read that the stock market's trajectory 3-years prior to an election predicts either the failure or success of an incumbent. On that measure, Obama will win?

What does this mean?

A upward stock market trajectory can beat unemployment as a correlation index

Unemployment is not a strong predictor - anymore - of a incumbents ability to remain elected. I.e. we have hit a new "normal"

Population still blames the last party for the issue, and does not want to return?

People realize that a President has very little impact on economy/unemployment. As such, the populace is now smarter.

The Republican party has so successfully handicapped romney, that a win is impossible.


- just a few of my conclusions.

I see no significant change regarding welfare state/etc . . .etc those changes as normal for a country with high unemployment.


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So when Obama is re-elected and I fully expect him to win what conclusions can we draw?


1. He has increased the welfare state and dependency on the government far more than any other President in recent times. If you didnt work and he gave you free things wouldnt you vote for him? Woud you care what the unemployment rate was?

2. The population is dumber. The hero worship on this guy is like nothing Ive ever seen before. The unemployment rate is higher than when he took office. Sad...
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Old 09-30-2012, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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Its common knowledge that there is a real unemployment rate, and a government cited employment rate. These numbers are accessible to anybody who wants them. Toodles Mr. Green behind the Ears
IT's also common knowledge your facts are wrong.

See thread title for proof of this fact.
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Old 09-30-2012, 10:31 AM
 
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It doesnt bother you that Obama is one of only a very few Presidents who has a higher unemployment rate than it was when he assumed office? I support Ron Paul. My vote doesnt matter.
When Obama came into office, the nation was on the brink of complete collapse, we were losing 3/4 of a million jobs a month, it was a complete nightmare.

Obama was able to get the nation out of the hole and give us 30 straight months of positive job creation, which is impressive.
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Old 09-30-2012, 11:17 AM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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Fact -- you're wrong.

Why do you people keep repeating this nonsense? I'll tell you why -- because you heard it and you assume it's right. You've never bothered to actually research it for yourselves. It sounds good to you, so you buy it hook line and sinker.

That's what you do -- you regurgitate talking points without having any idea whether or not they're true.

So, let me educate you.

In 1940 the unemployment rate was at 14.6% and Roosevelt won re-election. In 1936 the unemployment was at 16.6% and, again, Roosevelt won re-election.

On the Maddeningly Inexact Relationship Between Unemployment and Re-Election - NYTimes.com

PS - I love the irony of you whining about how dumb the population is while you cluelessly repeat demonstrably false information!
Actually the OP just misquoted the stat...it's been pretty well known that no president since FDR has been re-elected with an unemployment rate higher than 7.3%. Obama still has to overcome the odds.
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Old 09-30-2012, 11:51 AM
 
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So when Obama is re-elected and I fully expect him to win what conclusions can we draw?


1. He has increased the welfare state and dependency on the government far more than any other President in recent times. If you didnt work and he gave you free things wouldnt you vote for him? Woud you care what the unemployment rate was?

2. The population is dumber. The hero worship on this guy is like nothing Ive ever seen before. The unemployment rate is higher than when he took office. Sad...

You forgot to add #3.

3. Obama could have done lots better with a compromising Congress. But he didn't. While Obama sucks, the GOP sucks more. They've put up a rotten candidate that the republicans are trying so hard to embrace, you almost want to pat them on their heads and go "AWWWW." The GOP has been taken control of by the religious folks in this country. It's as simple as: the GOP and Romney are distasteful to many voters. Instead of blaming and whining, look at yourself. It's up to you to overcome and triumph and the GOP is terribly misguided right now.
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