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Old 10-03-2012, 03:41 PM
 
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Who's going to pay for it? The hospital will be fined for Medicare readmissions if they've already reached their limit.

Cost shifting? Maybe this is a backdoor way for Obama to get average Americans to foot the bill via higher insurance premiums as hospitals shift the cost of the fines to the insured.
Maybe the hospital can keep the patients until they are stable enough so they don't have to go back.
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Old 10-03-2012, 03:49 PM
 
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Health care has ALWAYS been rationed by the Insurance Companies..... Ask anyone who has been denied cover and denied treatment by the Insurance moguls.
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Old 10-03-2012, 03:51 PM
 
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Will it cost lives? Yes, according to Dr. Sunil Kripalani and NPR.

More than 2,200 hospitals face penalties under ObamaCare rules
When Going Back To The Hospital Is Good News : Health Blog : NPR

Will seniors be "dying in the streets" because of the limits on Medicare readmissions? No, and I didn't say that. They'll most likely die at home or in a convalescent center.
If the hospital took care of the problem in the first place then they wouldn't need to be readmitted.
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Old 10-03-2012, 03:53 PM
 
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Maybe the hospital can keep the patients until they are stable enough so they don't have to go back.
You are way too trusting and very naive. Hospitals have been sending people home as soon as possible for along time now. I believe it really started when Clinton was in office. That will not end.

Do you really know what goes on in hospitals? And to post such an arrogant and sarcastic in your comment?

Do you the government cares about you? Know this, pencil pushers and the government do not know what it is doing. If you were not naive you would understand that by putting a specific time period for re-admission or a hospital will be fined is very dangerous to your health, it could make a difference between your life or death.

Do you really trust the government (especially if you are on Medicare - government payments). Do you really trust government to make decisions about "your" life?

You are naive!
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Old 10-03-2012, 03:54 PM
 
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ah Healthcare has always been rationed by your insurance company. They decide what they will and will not pay for and what your limits are. Even then the only way around those would be to pay cash.

Also the State via its board limits what treatments a Doctor can do and keep his license. If your doctor prescribes back rubs and not chemo/surgery to get rid of cancer then state could take away his license.

As for your story about working in healthcare (I doubt you do).

The hospital is the most expensive place to get treatment and as soon as your condition allows it you will be released to either your home or a nursing home (a skilled care facility). Sending a visiting nurse or other healthcare provider like a CNA is cheaper. Hence why hospitals are under pressure to release patients sooner (i.e. your insurance company is going to start to complain if you send excessive time in the hospital).

Re-admittance suggests the hospital didn’t do its job when they release the person. It could be the hospital is not at fault (i.e. the person truly got sicker or was made sick by something else). Or it could be a case of the hospital releasing the person a bit too early, or not explaining their treatment/care. It is like a Mechanic Shop with a high return rate (either they are not fixing the problem or they have other issues).
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Old 10-03-2012, 03:56 PM
 
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If the hospital took care of the problem in the first place then they wouldn't need to be readmitted.
There is no such thing as a 100% problem free surgery or medical treatment. Relapses happen. Complications happen. They're very frequently unpreventable.
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:00 PM
 
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There is no such thing as a 100% problem free surgery or medical treatment. Relapses happen. Complications happen. They're very frequently unpreventable.
Exactly! You also forgot equipment failure like pacemakers. If you do have complications and need to go to the hospital. Too bad! if it happens before the 30 days are up.
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:01 PM
 
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You are way too trusting and very naive. Hospitals have been sending people home as soon as possible for along time now. I believe it really started when Clinton was in office. That will not end.

Do you really know what goes on in hospitals to post such an arrogant (rolling eyes) comment?

If you had an ounce of sense you would understand that the government does not know what it is doing. You would understand that by putting a specific time period for re-admission or a hospital will be fined is very dangerous to the health of the patient. Do you really trust the government (especially if you are on Medicare - government payments). Do you really trust government to make decisions about "your" life?

You are naive!
Sorry but I know exactly how they work and yes the insurance company will say how long and what test you can have.

I have called quality assurance a few times and the hospital backed down on releasing patients.
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:03 PM
 
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There is no such thing as a 100% problem free surgery or medical treatment. Relapses happen. Complications happen. They're very frequently unpreventable.
and many times they release you before they know what is wrong with you. Seen it!
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:07 PM
 
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and many times they release you before they know what is wrong with you. Seen it!
Oh I have seen it many many times. It's all about money.

Readmissions are both costly and dangerous — yet according to a 2009 study, one in five Medicare patients returns to the hospital within 30 days of release. Will you be one of that has to return.

Hey if they want to let the pencil pushers and government control their health care so be it lol.
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