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Old 10-19-2012, 06:37 PM
 
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Mr. Romney’s generous retirement agreement ensures that he continues to profit from the deals and decisions that Bain makes. He owns about $8 million worth of Bain funds that hold 51 percent of Sensata’s shares. If Sensata saves money by closing the Freeport plant, that could add money to Mr. Romney’s trust accounts, now or after the election.

Sensata Employees Ask Romney to Save Jobs From Bain Offshoring - NYTimes.com[]



Romney refused to meet with workers at Sensata...

Tom Gaulrapp: My Pain Is Mitt Romney's Gain: My Story as a Sensata Worker


Welome to Romneyworld...where greedy heartless and unpatriotuic pigs rule! A Presidential candidate? Romney not good enough to clean his horse stables.
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Old 10-19-2012, 06:41 PM
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Default Romney's reality ...shipping our jobs to China

I try to figure out why in the world the average working person would ever vote for Romney. Are they really that unaware of the world in which they live or is it that they actually WANT to be serfs?


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/10/us...anted=all&_r=0


As Romney Repeats Trade Message, Bain Maintains China Ties


Daniel Borris for The New York Times

In Freeport, Ill., workers have protested plans by Sensata Technologies to relocate 170 jobs to China. Bain Capital has a controlling stake in Sensata, which makes sensors and controls for vehicles and motors.

By SHARON LaFRANIERE and MIKE McINTIRE

Published: October 9, 2012 511 Comments


The tale of Asimco Technologies, an auto parts manufacturer whose plants dot eastern China, would seem to underscore Mitt Romney’s campaign-trail complaint that China’s manufacturing juggernaut is costing America jobs.

Asimco, an auto parts maker with plants in Beijing and elsewhere in China, bought two Michigan factories with 500 workers but shut them down in 2007. It is now owned by Bain Capital.

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Old 10-19-2012, 06:47 PM
 
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Just started this thread...

https://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...ata-china.html


It's inconceivable that Romney has the audacity toi run for the Presidency.
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Old 10-19-2012, 06:50 PM
 
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Of course he will make money from it!

Just because it's in a blind trust doesn't mean that profits from this undertaking won't go into the trust and Romney's pockets.

Believe me, he's not blind to what's going on --- he can't pretend that he doesn't know this is taking place and you don't hear a word from him on Sensata.

Shame on him.

When he says he would be 'good for business' as president, that's just what he means---good for business, not the American worker.
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Old 10-19-2012, 06:50 PM
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Just started this thread...

https://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...ata-china.html


It's inconceivable that Romney has the audacity toi run for the Presidency.
oops....sorry....I didn't see your thread. Didn't mean to be a "copy-cat." Smile
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Old 10-19-2012, 06:50 PM
 
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I try to figure out why in the world the average working person would ever vote for Romney. Are they really that unaware of the world in which they live or is it that they actually WANT to be serfs?


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/10/us...anted=all&_r=0


As Romney Repeats Trade Message, Bain Maintains China Ties


Daniel Borris for The New York Times

In Freeport, Ill., workers have protested plans by Sensata Technologies to relocate 170 jobs to China. Bain Capital has a controlling stake in Sensata, which makes sensors and controls for vehicles and motors.

By SHARON LaFRANIERE and MIKE McINTIRE

Published: October 9, 2012 511 Comments


The tale of Asimco Technologies, an auto parts manufacturer whose plants dot eastern China, would seem to underscore Mitt Romney’s campaign-trail complaint that China’s manufacturing juggernaut is costing America jobs.

Asimco, an auto parts maker with plants in Beijing and elsewhere in China, bought two Michigan factories with 500 workers but shut them down in 2007. It is now owned by Bain Capital.

A Zhengzhou outlet of Gome Electrical Appliances, a major Chinese retailer that Microsoft has accused of selling computers with pirated software. Bain invested $234 million in Gome in 2009.
Nine years ago, the company bought two camshaft factories that employed about 500 people in Michigan. By 2007 both were shut down. Now Asimco manufactures the same components in China on government-donated land in a coastal region that China has designated an export base, where companies are eligible for the sort of subsidies Mr. Romney says create an unfair trade imbalance.

But there is a twist to the Asimco story that would not fit neatly into a Romney stump speech: Since 2010, it has been owned by Bain Capital, the private equity firm founded by Mr. Romney, who has as much as $2.25 million invested in three Bain funds with large stakes in Asimco and at least seven other Chinese businesses, according to his 2012 candidate financial disclosure and other documents.

That and other China-related holdings by Bain funds in which Mr. Romney has invested are a reminder of how he inhabits two worlds that at times have come into conflict during his campaign for the White House.

As a candidate, Mr. Romney uses China as a punching bag. He accuses Beijing of unfairly subsidizing Chinese exports, artificially holding down the value of its currency to keep exports cheap, stealing American technology and hacking into corporate and government computers.

“How is it China’s been so successful in taking away our jobs?” he asked recently. “Well, let me tell you how: by cheating.”

But his private equity dealings, both while he headed Bain and since, complicate that message
.

Mr. Romney’s campaign insists he has no control over his investments since they are held in a blind trust. That said, a confidential prospectus for one of the Bain funds, obtained by The New York Times, promotes China as a good investment for some of the same reasons that Mr. Romney has said concern him: “Strong fundamentals” like manufacturing wages 85 percent lower than what Americans earn, vast foreign exchange reserves and the likelihood that China will surpass the United States as the world’s largest economy.

“Accordingly, Bain Capital expects to see an increasing array of high-growth companies available for investment,” the prospectus says, noting the relative dearth of private equity in China.

Among the companies in which the Bain funds have invested is a global auto parts maker that is in the process of closing a factory in Illinois and moving most of the equipment and jobs to Jiangsu Province, where the Chinese government has built it a new plant; a Chinese electronics retailer accused by Microsoft of selling computers with pirated software; and a Hong Kong-based Chinese appliance maker that was sued for copying another company’s design for a deep-fat fryer.

Asked if Mr. Romney sees any conflict between his Bain investments in China and his policy positions, the campaign said: “Only the president has the power to level the playing field with China. No private citizen can do that alone.”

The campaign said Mr. Romney put his fortune, estimated at $250 million, in a “blind trust” when he became Massachusetts governor in 2003. “The trustee of the blind trust has said publicly that he will endeavor to make the investments in the blind trust conform to Governor Romney’s positions, and whenever it comes to his attention that there is something inconsistent, he ends the investment,” the statement said.

Should Mr. Romney become president, however, the structure of the trust would most likely not meet the federal requirements for independent management. It is managed by a Boston-based law firm, Ropes & Gray, that has a long history of doing legal work for both Mr. Romney and Bain Capital, including representing some of the same Bain funds in which it invested Mr. Romney’s money.

Mr. Romney’s trustee, R. Bradford Malt, who is chairman of Ropes & Gray, declined to comment.

Bain Capital declined to comment on specific investments, but said in a statement that its Chinese holdings “are consistent with the widely accepted principle that the private sector has a critical role to play in the continuing interdependence of the world’s economies.”

He has as much as $250,000 in the Bain Capital Asia Fund and as much as $1 million each in Bain Capital Funds IX and X, all Cayman Islands entities used by Bain to make sizable investments in China, according to the 2012 candidate financial disclosures and confidential Bain prospectuses obtained by The Times through a public records request.

Among those funds’ holdings is $234 million that Bain invested in 2009 in Gome Electrical Appliances, a major Chinese retailer that was accused by Microsoft this year of selling computers with pirated software. In 2007, Bain’s Asia fund also invested $39 million in Feixiang Group, a Chinese producer and exporter of chemicals that is a designated “state high-tech enterprise,” making it eligible for tax breaks and other government incentives. Ropes & Gray represented Bain in the partial sale of Feixiang three years later for a 53 percent return on the fund’s investment.

The Asia fund withdrew from another deal in 2008 that could have proved politically embarrassing to Mr. Romney. After the Bush administration objected, Bain dropped plans to team up with a Chinese technology giant, Huawei, to buy 3Com, a network equipment maker that supplies software and equipment to the Pentagon and other federal agencies.

The administration said intelligence reports indicated that Huawei, which was founded by a former People’s Liberation Army officer, posed “national security problems,” according to a lawsuit stemming from the deal’s collapse. A House Intelligence Committee report released Monday said Huawei continued to have troubling connections to the Chinese government, something the company denies.

Bain’s interest in China dates to when Mr. Romney ran the firm. During a panel discussion at the Federal Reserve Bank in Boston in February 1998, he told of touring an appliance factory in China where 5,000 employees “were working, working, working, as hard as they could, at rates of roughly 50 cents an hour.”

Not long afterward, a Bain affiliate, Brookside Capital Partners, acquired about 6 percent of Global-Tech Appliances, whose factory in many ways matched Mr. Romney’s description. The next year, Brookside and another Bain-related entity increased their stake to 9 percent, before selling their shares in 2000.

Just before Bain bought shares, a French firm accused Global-Tech of stealing its deep-fat fryer design. In a decision affirmed by the Supreme Court in 2011, the company was found to have willfully violated the French firm’s United States patent, selling the knockoffs even after it was sued.

Mr. Romney also has millions invested in a series of Bain funds that have a controlling stake in Sensata Technologies, a manufacturer of sensors and controls for vehicles, aircraft and electric motors that employs 4,000 workers in China. Since Bain took over the operation in 2006, its investment has quadrupled in value. Bain continues to own $2.6 billion worth of Sensata’s shares.

Two years ago, Sensata bought an operation that made automobile sensors in Freeport, Ill. At the first meeting with the plant’s 170 workers, Sensata managers announced that by the end of 2012 all the equipment and jobs would be relocated, mostly to Jiangsu Province. Workers have staged demonstrations, pleading for Mr. Romney to intervene on their behalf.

Chinese engineers, flown to Freeport for training on the equipment, described their salaries as a pittance compared with Freeport wages. Tom Gaulrapp, who has operated machines at the factory for 33 years, said he fears he will go bankrupt after he loses his job on Nov. 5.

This goes to show the unbelievable hypocrisy of this man,” he said of Mr. Romney. “He talks about how we need to get tough on China and stop China from taking our jobs, and then he is making money off shipping our jobs there.”
The do want to be serfs...I'm convinced of it!
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Old 10-19-2012, 06:51 PM
 
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Mr. Romney’s generous retirement agreement ensures that he continues to profit from the deals and decisions that Bain makes. He owns about $8 million worth of Bain funds that hold 51 percent of Sensata’s shares. If Sensata saves money by closing the Freeport plant, that could add money to Mr. Romney’s trust accounts, now or after the election.

Welome to Romneyworld...where greedy heartless and unpatriotuic pigs rule! A Presidential candidate? Romney not good enough to clean his horse stables.

You're doing a very good job of reinforcing the new reputation that Democrats have earned for being nothing but hateful, envious jerks.

Romney isn't moving that company to China.

Why do you hate rich people? Democrats are supposed to be tolerant of all people.

How much money does a person have to make to be hated by Democrats? Anyone who makes more than Obama?

Obama is a millionaire too. Doesn't that make him evil? Don't you want his money? If he does well on an investment, doesn't that just tick you off?
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Old 10-19-2012, 06:52 PM
 
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Where are your retirement funds? I know where mine are. I also know that I can't control much of what these companies invest in. Like Romney and anyone else with a retirement account I hope to make as much money as possible.
What is hypocrytical is anyone faulting someone else for having like investments and making a profit.
As we have found out the POTUS himself has a retirement account that also has invested in Chines companies.
In a global economy this is a reality.
Obama borrowed money from China to invest in solyndra. China will make a nice chunk of money off that loan that you and I and every other tax payer has to pay back. He gambles with our money..... Welcome to Obama world.
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Old 10-19-2012, 06:53 PM
 
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oops....sorry....I didn't see your thread. Didn't mean to be a "copy-cat." Smile
There cannot be enough threads on this subject... Rep to you for yours.
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Old 10-19-2012, 06:55 PM
 
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The high tech jobs have been offshoring since the mid 90's.
Manufacturing has been offshoring since the 60's.

And you all blame Romney.
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