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View Poll Results: What Party did you or are you switching from?
Democrat switched to Independent 17 17.71%
Democrat switched to Republican 20 20.83%
Republican switched to Independent 15 15.63%
Republican switched to Democrat 21 21.88%
Other 23 23.96%
Voters: 96. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-31-2015, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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What is "extreme" about asking the government to not raise taxes and to no spend more than it receives in revenue?
The means they want to do it is and there's also extremism in other things they say. Richard Mordoch in 2012 anyone? This (and the fact Democrats don't really have a primary process in Arizona) is why I am registered as an independent. In primaries I can chose to vote for the least extreme candidate and then decide between the two options freely and not worry if I need to vote the party line if there is an extreme candidate I don't believe in.

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Going by the high divorce rate, the high number of illegitimate children and the decay of society in general, it looks like we need more religious right. Or religion in general.
High divorce rate existed since the 1960's with women being able to have their own income and not having to worry as much about having no skills with an abusive husbands, easing of divorce laws and pre-nuptial agreements. Also it is debatable that gay marriage CAN lead to a lower divorce rate.
The amount of illegitimate children are two fold. One, people don't marry as often or wait to properly start a family. Two, relationships end before the child is born. Also it's much higher in Latin America than the US so it is not that much of an issue.
The "decay of society" is more with people being narcissistic and not caring about family rather than caring about the family. Before you say the religious right, how many preachers, priests and religious conservatives (on both sides of the aisle in Washington) were found to have affairs that wouldn't be allowed if they truly practiced what they preached. And don't use the No True Scottsman defense...

The issue is the family is changing. You can survive widowed as oppose to the days of Cinderella when you had to marry if your wife or husband died off.
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Old 03-31-2015, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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What is "extreme" about asking the government to not raise taxes and to no spend more than it receives in revenue?



Going by the high divorce rate, the high number of illegitimate children and the decay of society in general, it looks like we need more religious right. Or religion in general.

If the Republican party kept everything the same but changed on 2 issues, gay marriage and abortion, would you still be a Republican?

I have been to Tea Party meetings and taxes and small government were never mentioned. God in school was the main topic.

Next election I will vote Libertarian. 42 years of voting Republican and I don't like what my party has turned into. A true conservative knows personal freedom also includes things I don't personally agree with.
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Old 03-31-2015, 07:19 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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A true conservative knows personal freedom also includes things I don't personally agree with.
Agreed 110%

I personally don't particularly like the idea of the gay marriage ... but it's not any of my business what two people who love each other do. Who am I to impose my beliefs on them? There's nothing conservative about regulating marriage between consenting adults.
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Old 04-01-2015, 08:28 AM
 
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Independent to Democrat. Voted for John Anderson my first time in 1980. Once Reagan got in & started cutting programs that were important to me and to people in true need, I started voting for Democrats & have been ever since. My main issues are reproductive rights, equal rights/pay for women, income inequality, separation of church & state and marriage equality.
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Old 04-01-2015, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Austin
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I grew up hard right republican, but over the last quite a few years I have progressively become more liberal. I voted Republican became Democrat. I don't like to really call myself a democrat, as the majority of the democratic party is pretty centrist (regardless of the Faux News/Teabagger rhetoric), corporatist and hawkish. I consider myself a liberal, socialist, left-ist, anti-war person. However, since there are no actual parties which represent my interests I am by defacto a Democrat because there is no way in hell that I am voting for the Christian version of ISIS that is the modern teabag party.
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Old 04-08-2015, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Utah
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Registered Republican, but sick of the focus on social issues, instead of a limited and Constitutional Federal government.

I haven't changed my registration. From time to time, I have participated in county conventions, caucuses and the like, but not extensively. I have always done so in hopes of being a voice within the party against the religious right imposing their values on people by law.

I often vote for Libertarian candidates, especially if the Republican in the race is truly obnoxious and offensive on social issues (not all of them are, but increasing numbers are getting there).

In its infancy, the Tea Party was saying what I had felt for a long time, that the Republicans needed to focus on fiscal issues. (In case folks have forgotten, TEA stood for Taxed Enough Already).

I'd like to think that's where the majority of professed Tea Party people still stand, but beginning to think they've become just another vehicle for the hard right social engineers.

I am increasingly tempted to go big L libertarian.
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Old 04-08-2015, 06:31 PM
 
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Yes. Republican to Independent. I agree more with Democrat issues but the republican ones I still agree with are pretty strong to make me not vote democrat unless they are pro gun and pro life.
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Old 04-08-2015, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Johnson Creek,WI
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Registered Republican, but sick of the focus on social issues, instead of a limited and Constitutional Federal government.

I haven't changed my registration. From time to time, I have participated in county conventions, caucuses and the like, but not extensively. I have always done so in hopes of being a voice within the party against the religious right imposing their values on people by law.

I often vote for Libertarian candidates, especially if the Republican in the race is truly obnoxious and offensive on social issues (not all of them are, but increasing numbers are getting there).

In its infancy, the Tea Party was saying what I had felt for a long time, that the Republicans needed to focus on fiscal issues. (In case folks have forgotten, TEA stood for Taxed Enough Already).

I'd like to think that's where the majority of professed Tea Party people still stand, but beginning to think they've become just another vehicle for the hard right social engineers.

I am increasingly tempted to go big L libertarian.

How have Republicans been focused on social issues? Seems to me,at least lately that the Dems have been the aggressors in the culture wars. Obama's 2012 campaign was largely about social issues.
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Old 04-08-2015, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Utah
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How have Republicans been focused on social issues? Seems to me,at least lately that the Dems have been the aggressors in the culture wars. Obama's 2012 campaign was largely about social issues.
It's been going on for a very long time, not just recently. I haven't liked it since Ralph Reed and the like came onto the scene.

In the fairly recent past, candidates like Santorum and Huckabee. Just too much.

The Dewhurst/Cruz primary was my first Texas election. I went for Cruz because of the preachy Dewhurt commercials.

In 2004, the Republican candidate against Harry Reid (Ziser, or something like that was the name) said some pretty ugly things about gays, although now the specifics escape me. But I chose to vote Libertarian rather than the Republican because it was just uncalled for.

The Democrats may indeed make hay over social issues, but as long as the GOP keeps social issues in the platform, they feed the flames.
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Old 04-09-2015, 12:10 AM
 
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I grew up in a Republican home. I was very interested in politics and thought the Democrats were destroying the country. In my early 20s, I became far less enamored with the conservative Christian world view and far more knowledgeable about the role government plays in shaping the economy (and how it uses its power to tilt the scales in favor of the wealthy and politically connected), so I moved to the left. I'm actually not really a Democrat. I'm far left of the party on economic but on social issues and foreign policy issues, I have more in common with moderate Republicans. Still, I think economic issues are most important, so I vote Democrat pretty much every time. There are certain Republicans I would strongly consider voting for if they were running for president, however.


So you approve of this government choosing winners & losers then.
A 1% supporter in the flesh.
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