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Old 04-19-2015, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Missouri
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TPTB want it.. so yes 10000%


Will be Hildog vs Jeb 2016 because its what "they" want.

Now every party voter will vote for their guy/gal because they hate the other guy/gal more and NOT because they actually like their candidate.


POTUS elections are now: vote AGAINST who you hate more.. not vote FOR who you actually like


Enjoy your illusion of choice..


go Merica' !
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Old 04-19-2015, 10:27 AM
 
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TPTB want it.. so yes 10000%


Will be Hildog vs Jeb 2016 because its what "they" want.

Now every party voter will vote for their guy/gal because they hate the other guy/gal more and NOT because they actually like their candidate.


POTUS elections are now: vote AGAINST who you hate more.. not vote FOR who you actually like


Enjoy your illusion of choice..


go Merica' !
I voted that way for the last 3 POTUSs.
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Old 04-20-2015, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Utah
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The Romney campaign and the GOP really tried to play up the "you didn't build that" line leading up to November 2012, and look how that turned out?

If the GOP is stupid enough to try and take a one liner completely out of context again and base their anti-Hillary campaign around that, good luck.

re: "Fauxcohontas", no one beyond die hard Republicans cared about that or believed it was a significant "controversy."
I found the "you didn't build that" even worse IN context. But the Democrats had their 47% gaffe to blow up out of proportion.

No one cared about Fauxcahontas because Warren wasn't running for President. If she were, it could be used against her effectively, IMHO.
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Old 04-22-2015, 08:38 AM
 
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I found the "you didn't build that" even worse IN context. But the Democrats had their 47% gaffe to blow up out of proportion.

No one cared about Fauxcahontas because Warren wasn't running for President. If she were, it could be used against her effectively, IMHO.
How would it be used "effectively?" She mistakenly thought she had Native American ancestry, and was proven wrong later. How is that some big huge deal that would be relevant during a political campaign?

It would just end up being used in racist/misogynistic ways by the Fox News crowd, and drive people into voting for Warren.
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Old 04-22-2015, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Utah
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How would it be used "effectively?" She mistakenly thought she had Native American ancestry, and was proven wrong later. How is that some big huge deal that would be relevant during a political campaign?

It would just end up being used in racist/misogynistic ways by the Fox News crowd, and drive people into voting for Warren.
If she wasn't certain of her ancestry, she shouldn't have claimed it in the application process. That would have been the honest thing to do.

I'm pretty certain I have some native American ancestry not too far back (based on more than high cheekbones), but I'd never use it applying for a job.
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Old 04-22-2015, 12:28 PM
 
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Palin was the ONLY thing that helped.
Helped them definitively lose the election maybe. None of these right wing nut jobs can possibly be elected to the White House, regardless of how much Fox "News" adores them.

Hillary.....I wonder whether we won't be SO sick of her in 18 months that she somehow stumbles and our adoration for her falls by the wayside? Even then, the republicans have to put up a viable candidate--I personally think Paul Ryan could do it, but more than likely he won't get in the way of Jeb....and we have seen that act twice already.

So Hillary is the one.....many fine attributes; seems like a Giuliani in a dress, minus the republican platform, maybe. Time will tell if the Americans will embrace that all the way to the Presidency.

Someone earlier dismissed the "email" mess. That sticks with me as defining her moral compass. Not so good, when she knew what the appropriate behavior/rules applied. That probably cost her my vote.....but then what do you do with it?
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Old 04-22-2015, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado
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Is Hillary the inevitable Democratic nominee for 2016? I know people thought she was in 2008 but Obama came in from out of nowhere and took her out. Personally I like Hillary but I don't really like Presidential dynasties (No Clintons or Bushes). I will probably end up voting for her anyway but I want to know does everybody think she is inevitable or will somebody come in from out of nowhere like Obama did?

Whoever the Democrat is they will probably win in a landslide being that Obama will likely leave office on a high note (recovering economy, no war) and I don't think America is ready for another Republican quite yet. The Republicans will also probably run on culture war issues which will alienate everyone outside the South.

With that in mind, the Democratic primary will be the most important election in determining who the next President will be.
I think Hillary will make a good president. I would like to see her expand Social Security and Medicare, etc. I don't see anyone else really challenging her. I recall the Clinton years as being good economically, the balancing of the budget, and I respect their efforts to address the insane cost of medical treatment in this country at that time. I'm feeling optimistic about 2016. I would really get behind Elizabeth Warren but Hillary will do nicely.
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Old 04-22-2015, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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How would it be used "effectively?" She mistakenly thought she had Native American ancestry, and was proven wrong later. How is that some big huge deal that would be relevant during a political campaign?
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It was an awfully convenient "mistake" for someone to make that is seeking a position at a college that is really hungry for racial diversity and a paucity of native american job applicants.

I wouldn't be inclined to just automatically believe that it was an honest mistake, unless it was explained a lot further.
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Old 04-22-2015, 08:12 PM
 
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It was an awfully convenient "mistake" for someone to make that is seeking a position at a college that is really hungry for racial diversity and a paucity of native american job applicants.

I wouldn't be inclined to just automatically believe that it was an honest mistake, unless it was explained a lot further.
Even DNA testing ain't real accurate in finding American Indian ancestry since for many tribes; the results come back as "Asian" and even "white" since they all started out in Asia way back in the day. I'm talking about the "fullblood" AI's here.
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Old 04-22-2015, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Even DNA testing ain't real accurate in finding American Indian ancestry since for many tribes; the results come back as "Asian" and even "white" since they all started out in Asia way back in the day. I'm talking about the "fullblood" AI's here.

You shouldn't need to check your dna to know if your an american indian.

Ms. Warren was never an enrolled member of an Indian tribe, she never lived on a reservation, she was - at best- just guessing that she might have an indian antecedent.

Vice President Curtis was a Native American, this woman, not even close.
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