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Old 05-05-2015, 04:31 AM
 
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He will vote for it if Obama needs it.
You do know that Bernie sanders doesn't vote in lock step right?

Ohhhh....it must be Obama's mind control powers, that must be why the majority of Republicans are for it....Obama has taken control of their minds!
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Old 05-05-2015, 04:45 AM
 
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You do know that Bernie sanders doesn't vote in lock step right?
Its easy when your vote isn't needed. It wasnt so easy for the "non interventionist" when it came time to argue arming Syrian Rebels (ISIS). That is reason alone to not support him.

Bernie is an extreme partisan while not claiming to be. That is even worse than simply admitting it.

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Ohhhh....it must be Obama's mind control powers, that must be why the majority of Republicans are for it....Obama has taken control of their minds!
You might note, I have not supported any of them either. Maybe I've simply not seen it but what I've seen so far says its Obama demanding that the details not be released to the public.
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Old 05-05-2015, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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And yet Obama campaigned on transparency in 2008. Surprisingly based on what posters think of me, I actually voted McCain in 08 and Romney in 2012.
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Old 05-05-2015, 11:15 AM
 
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Republicans will lose because the electoral map doesn't add up for them like it didn't for the dems in the 1980's. It's actually very simple
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Old 05-06-2015, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Republicans will lose because the electoral map doesn't add up for them like it didn't for the dems in the 1980's. It's actually very simple
and you can't see any possible swing back to the 80s? I think you are niave if you think this could not happen with the right candidate. Who ever thought we would see Reagan win by a landslide in 1980? And how many would have predicted Bush would get defeated in 1992? Politics can be very interesting because it is totally unpredictable....For those of us who have been around for many elections we have seen many times how wrong our experts have been and how wrong we have been, trying to predict an outcome. Heck we just saw it in 2010 and 2014 for starters and Obama didn't drag a lot in on his shirt tails in 2012.
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Old 05-06-2015, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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The TPP is horrible, just as bad ad NAFTA, CAFTA, and all other "free" trade agreements. These deals aren't "free" they're just giveaways to giant corporate interests and globalists. Rand Paul has indicated in the past that he supports fast track authority and the TPP. If he votes for the TPP that is almost a deal breaker for me and I'm not sure I could vote for him.
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Old 05-06-2015, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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and you can't see any possible swing back to the 80s? I think you are niave if you think this could not happen with the right candidate. Who ever thought we would see Reagan win by a landslide in 1980? And how many would have predicted Bush would get defeated in 1992? Politics can be very interesting because it is totally unpredictable....For those of us who have been around for many elections we have seen many times how wrong our experts have been and how wrong we have been, trying to predict an outcome. Heck we just saw it in 2010 and 2014 for starters and Obama didn't drag a lot in on his shirt tails in 2012.
You mentioned the key phrase, "the RIGHT candidate." I don't see the Republicans as having "the RIGHT candidate" right now. Jeb wont win conservatives (far too many hate his common core and amnesty) but I don't see the Cruz's, Paul's, Rubio's and for sure Carson's winning on their platform. (As I mention of Firino's thread her stance is "I'm not Hillary" which will win as good as "I'm not Obama" in 2011/2.)

As for the predictions 2014 was widely expected as a Republican win, maybe not how many seats. 2010, a bit of a different story but remember in the 1980's the congress was blue while the white house was red, just as it is now but flipped. These don't work a the white house should have gone to Dukakis in 1988 if the trend Republicans point to was political science law.
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Old 05-07-2015, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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You mentioned the key phrase, "the RIGHT candidate." I don't see the Republicans as having "the RIGHT candidate" right now. Jeb wont win conservatives (far too many hate his common core and amnesty) but I don't see the Cruz's, Paul's, Rubio's and for sure Carson's winning on their platform. (As I mention of Firino's thread her stance is "I'm not Hillary" which will win as good as "I'm not Obama" in 2011/2.)

As for the predictions 2014 was widely expected as a Republican win, maybe not how many seats. 2010, a bit of a different story but remember in the 1980's the congress was blue while the white house was red, just as it is now but flipped. These don't work a the white house should have gone to Dukakis in 1988 if the trend Republicans point to was political science law.
2014 was predicted as a R win, but not nearly the landslide it was. How many do you think predicted IL, MD and Mass to elect R governors for starters?

Now, as for the right candidate, that remains to be seen. We do have new faces, which is a start. Last night we had our daughter over for dinner and some wine. Her husband was out of town: As usually the subject turned to politics. We are all Republicans, but with 3 different ideas: Hubby is both socially and fiscally conservative: I am fiscally conservative and socially moderate; our daughter is fiscally very conservative and socially probably to the left of me, but doesn't think social issues should have anything to do with who we elect as Pres. That being said, we are all supporting different candidates at this time: she is Rand Paul,I am Rubio and hubby in Walker. We know it is early and we realize we might change our minds. This Sunday should be very interesting; we are having the family over for moms day: 8 adults, all Republicans, but different levels. We have 2 that are evangilical, but one isn't very political, the other btw is Hispanic; 2 have another couple who are far to the right, but one is an agnostic; we have another couple who are split; he is right of right. I might add Jewish and his wife is fiscally conservative; and then there is hubby and me. The age range is from 28 to 78. I will keep everyone posted.
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Old 05-07-2015, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Governorship is still different than Presidential elections and I don't think there is an exact link between the two. I could be wrong but the issue is which states went red that weren't and if those voters are willing to vote red for the president as well.

As for my stance, slight fiscal conservatism, fairly social liberal. It's not just about how much you cut to me but where and why. I'd likely end up Blue dog democrat or tickets Rockefeller Republican.
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Old 05-07-2015, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Texas
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And yet Obama campaigned on transparency in 2008. Surprisingly based on what posters think of me, I actually voted McCain in 08 and Romney in 2012.
He did get his transparency. Thanks to Snowden.
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