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Old 05-13-2015, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Gone
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I will stick with facts on the shutdown, although the government doesn't actually shutdown. You keep parroting the "Cruz shutdown" DEVOID of FACTS. Pitiful!

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Strange how I always get the same denial on the part of Cruz supporters. As I have said many times tell yourself that all you want, his actions resulted in loss of revenue and the shutting down of many facilities and programs and put us under Sequester Rules which still forbids spending on some services such as extended unemployment benefits, meaning he also hurt many Americans that were out of work. Keep supporting him all you wish, just so ya realize he is no different from any other politician and he has risen as high as he ever will in US Politics, far too many powerful Republicans dislike him. In the end you will have to support whomever the GOP says you will or you and the handful of Cruz supporters can write is name on the ballet in protest, enjoy
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Old 05-13-2015, 11:17 AM
 
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Strange how I always get the same denial on the part of Cruz supporters. As I have said many times tell yourself that all you want, his actions resulted in loss of revenue and the shutting down of many facilities and programs and put us under Sequester Rules which still forbids spending on some services such as extended unemployment benefits, meaning he also hurt many Americans that were out of work. Keep supporting him all you wish, just so ya realize he is no different from any other politician and he has risen as high as he ever will in US Politics, far too many powerful Republicans dislike him. In the end you will have to support whomever the GOP says you will or you and the handful of Cruz supporters can write is name on the ballet in protest, enjoy
No, it was the actions of the Democrats. The reason being, at least a dozen of them wanted to delay Obamacare for one year, but the WH stepped in with a NO COMPROMISE. They had to line up with O and the government shut down. So, stay with your talking points. It isn't true in the least.

He may not win the nomination, but he is a great person that sticks with his promises. At least America is getting to know that about him.

Last night on the Kelly File, Megyn had to backtrack on her statement that ALL of the candidates at flip-flopped, saying that she checked Cruz's record and very little had changed.

He is better than the other candidates in that respect. If he stays in Texas and runs for Governor, that would be even better.
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Old 05-13-2015, 12:51 PM
 
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No, it was the actions of the Democrats. The reason being, at least a dozen of them wanted to delay Obamacare for one year, but the WH stepped in with a NO COMPROMISE. They had to line up with O and the government shut down. So, stay with your talking points. It isn't true in the least.

He may not win the nomination, but he is a great person that sticks with his promises. At least America is getting to know that about him.

Last night on the Kelly File, Megyn had to backtrack on her statement that ALL of the candidates at flip-flopped, saying that she checked Cruz's record and very little had changed.

He is better than the other candidates in that respect. If he stays in Texas and runs for Governor, that would be even better.
So you want him to have less power than he has now, being governor Texas is more a figure head position than one of leadership, look at the two last governors we had Bush and Perry, one turned out to be a disaster and the other is even more of an idiot. The daily affairs of Texas politics and governance is done in the Lt Governors office and the Legislature in Austin. But hey we just got a new Repub Governor and they tend to stay in office for several terms, so I doubt he will be sleeping in the Governors Mansion any time soon.
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Old 05-13-2015, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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No, it was the actions of the Democrats. The reason being, at least a dozen of them wanted to delay Obamacare for one year, but the WH stepped in with a NO COMPROMISE. They had to line up with O and the government shut down. So, stay with your talking points. It isn't true in the least.

He may not win the nomination, but he is a great person that sticks with his promises. At least America is getting to know that about him.

Last night on the Kelly File, Megyn had to backtrack on her statement that ALL of the candidates at flip-flopped, saying that she checked Cruz's record and very little had changed.

He is better than the other candidates in that respect. If he stays in Texas and runs for Governor, that would be even better.
The Republican option was to just remove Obamacare (by the way it was an amalgamation of several Conservative proposals to 43rd Kennedy's universal healthcare and go back to the old system while they try and figure out a new plan (and likely filibuster that in committee.) Remember compromise goes both ways and not just Democrats/Republicans have to cave to what we want because we are right. That is how we got into the debt ceiling and government shutdowns time and time again in the first place.
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Old 05-14-2015, 08:29 AM
 
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The Republican option was to just remove Obamacare (by the way it was an amalgamation of several Conservative proposals to 43rd Kennedy's universal healthcare and go back to the old system while they try and figure out a new plan (and likely filibuster that in committee.) Remember compromise goes both ways and not just Democrats/Republicans have to cave to what we want because we are right. That is how we got into the debt ceiling and government shutdowns time and time again in the first place.
They should have removed Obamacare.

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Almost half of Obamacare exchanges face financial struggles in the future

Nearly half of the 17 insurance marketplaces set up by the states and the District under President Obama’s health law are struggling financially, presenting state officials with an unexpected and serious challenge five years after the passage of the landmark Affordable Care Act.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...afa_story.html
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Old 05-14-2015, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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They should have removed Obamacare.
And what do we do in the interim while we are coming up with a new proposal for healthcare of it is repealed before a new idea is implemented?
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Old 05-14-2015, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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It's not about being ready but having a viable candidate to run. Herman Cain was brought down over some alleged scandal and I wouldn't doubt the Democrats were behind it.
Don't fool yourself. Herman Caine was brought down by his womanizing and his ignorance of politics and the rest of the world.
When viewer of both parties saw his performances during interviews, they saw another potential Sarah Palin and wanted none of it. Caine sunk himself all on his own. He needed to help from either the Democratic nor the Republican parties to do it, but neither was sorry to see him go.
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Old 05-14-2015, 11:21 AM
 
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And what do we do in the interim while we are coming up with a new proposal for healthcare of it is repealed before a new idea is implemented?
They have no new idea, they only propose being allowed go buy insurance as it was before except whoohoo, we can shop across state lines as if they is going to actually save the consumers big bucks. The Cons are on the back pocket of the Insurance Companies and nothing short of keeping the rich as rich as they can be will be acceptable. In other words they support companies that will stick to them as much as they do anyone else, some people just are not all that smart.
That said I believe., like it or not one of these days we will end up with a single payer plan like every other advanced Nation on the planet, if it is good enough for them and our men and women in the service and their families it is good enough for everyone. There will be a lot of whining but in the end we will get there.
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Old 05-15-2015, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Don't fool yourself. Herman Caine was brought down by his womanizing and his ignorance of politics and the rest of the world.
When viewer of both parties saw his performances during interviews, they saw another potential Sarah Palin and wanted none of it. Caine sunk himself all on his own. He needed to help from either the Democratic nor the Republican parties to do it, but neither was sorry to see him go.
Herman Cain's (not Caine) downfall was a disastrous interview where he was asked about Libya and appeared to be confused. I've been over the timeline in minute detail. He stayed at or near the top in polling after Politico broke the story of the sexual harassment lawsuits/settlements. There was never any real evidence that it was anything more than typical lawyer money-grubbing that was settled to avoid litigation. After the interview re Libya, his numbers took a dive and he left the race. He wasn't ready for prime time, but there was never any real evidence of "womanizing."
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Old 05-15-2015, 03:24 PM
 
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And what do we do in the interim while we are coming up with a new proposal for healthcare of it is repealed before a new idea is implemented?
Initially, I am favoring this plan that will "pave" the way for a full repeal.

Paving the Way to Full Repeal - THE 2017 PROJECT THE 2017 PROJECT
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