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Old 05-27-2015, 02:37 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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You conservatives crack me up. You mean to tell me that all the Republicans in the house who voted for the budget proposals that defunded Obamacare would actually make the Senate floor? If anything came out from it, it was a showing to help rabble rouse the base so they would be safe come November 2014 because they "kept campaign promises." The issue here is the Republicans in the house also KNEW that if they didn't try and pass a real solution, we would just be mad at them because we voted Republicans in to fix congress and if they couldn't do that, Democrats could work just as well.

The issue with Cruz is he stalled a real proposal as oppose to the symbolic ones asking to defund or delay Obamacare. That is extremism "my friend." If you don't see it, maybe you too are extremist.

The 80+ democrats losing their job since its inception, tells me it was not one guy named Ted Cruz, reading Green Eggs & Ham, that shut down 17% of the most harmful to the public, government services. Only Boehner, Reid & Obama had that power.
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Old 05-27-2015, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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The 80+ democrats losing their job since its inception, tells me it was not one guy named Ted Cruz, reading Green Eggs & Ham, that shut down 17% of the most harmful to the public, government services. Only Boehner, Reid & Obama had that power.
Six year itch explains that as does Democratic apathy to midterm. Try again, you might win.
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Old 05-27-2015, 02:57 PM
 
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The 80+ democrats losing their job since its inception, tells me it was not one guy named Ted Cruz, reading Green Eggs & Ham, that shut down 17% of the most harmful to the public, government services. Only Boehner, Reid & Obama had that power.
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Old 05-27-2015, 02:59 PM
 
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Six year itch explains that as does Democratic apathy to midterm. Try again, you might win.
Your reasoning can't be true. If the American people were so in LOVE with Obamacare, they would have made sure the Democrats won that election to keep riding the wave. It didn't happen. People vote the issues. And the issue was - DOWN WITH OBAMACARE! Just sayin'...
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Old 05-27-2015, 03:30 PM
 
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You listen to the MSM and read the Cruz haters here and you'd think this guy doesn't have a shot. But I suspect he's going to surprise a lot of people in the GOP debates.
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Old 05-27-2015, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Your reasoning can't be true. If the American people were so in LOVE with Obamacare, they would have made sure the Democrats won that election to keep riding the wave. It didn't happen. People vote the issues. And the issue was - DOWN WITH OBAMACARE! Just sayin'...
I am posting historic trends too. Democrats are notorious for not winning midterms that aren't six year itch years due to turn out and the six year itch has existed for every single two term president since Ike and that is off the bodies of congress aren't already the opposite party before hand.

You, BentBow and others are just using correlation = causation which is a logical fallacy.
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Old 05-29-2015, 11:29 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I am posting historic trends too. Democrats are notorious for not winning midterms that aren't six year itch years due to turn out and the six year itch has existed for every single two term president since Ike and that is off the bodies of congress aren't already the opposite party before hand.

You, BentBow and others are just using correlation = causation which is a logical fallacy.

That is what they were saying when a man named Reagan, bucked the system.
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Old 05-29-2015, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Default Where is Cruz so "extreme"?

From his nose to his toes.

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Old 05-29-2015, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I just don't see it.

Yes, the senator is pro-life, yes he is opposed to the death tax and wants to simplify the tax system, yes he is opposed to Obamacare, yes he is for a strong military.


Sure, his stands are "controversial", the Democrats passed measures like Obamacare and Dodd Frank by strict party line votes.

And if you like you can certainly stand it opposition to the stands of the Texas senator.

But he's hardly an "extremist", just a vocal advocate for very mainstream, Republican ideas that have widespread support.

The problem that Cruz has isn't his so-called "extremism", but that he is being labeled as an "extremist".


"Single payer" health care is certainly more extreme (albeit on the other end of the spectrum) than anything Cruz advocates for. The Democratic Party as a whole rejected the idea when they could have passed it in 2009-10 as a bit too much for the very liberal party. Will candidate Sanders be labeled an "extremist" for his current support of it? Will Mrs. Clinton's own health care initiative of the early 90's be cited as evidence of "extremist leanings"?
Then vote for Cruz in your state's primary.
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Old 05-29-2015, 03:56 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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That is what they were saying when a man named Reagan, bucked the system.
This isent 1980 ... the America of 1980 is long gone. And it's time that the Tea Party accepts this reality, you need to tailor your message to the America of 2015.

The demographics that propelled Reagan to victory do not exist anymore. In fact, Romney won a higher percentage of the White vote than Reagan did but he still got creamed.
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