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Old 05-29-2015, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I just don't see it.

Yes, the senator is pro-life, yes he is opposed to the death tax and wants to simplify the tax system, yes he is opposed to Obamacare, yes he is for a strong military.
Sure, his stands are "controversial", the Democrats passed measures like Obamacare and Dodd Frank by strict party line votes.

And if you like you can certainly stand it opposition to the stands of the Texas senator.

But he's hardly an "extremist", just a vocal advocate for very mainstream, Republican ideas that have widespread support.
The problem that Cruz has isn't his so-called "extremism", but that he is being labeled as an "extremist".
"Single payer" health care is certainly more extreme (albeit on the other end of the spectrum) than anything Cruz advocates for. The Democratic Party as a whole rejected the idea when they could have passed it in 2009-10 as a bit too much for the very liberal party. Will candidate Sanders be labeled an "extremist" for his current support of it? Will Mrs. Clinton's own health care initiative of the early 90's be cited as evidence of "extremist leanings"?
Ted Cruz initiates a government shutdown, then idiotically reads Dr. Seuss while wasting a lot of taxpayer money and then has the absolute gall to join a protest in front of the WH with Palin and a group of RWNJs carrying confederate flags and insulting the POTUS, in order to protest the government shutdown he initiated. He's not "controversial." He's simply an arrogant, crazy jerk. I believe this opinion is reflected in his absolutely dismal poll ratings among the American public.

Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz lead shutdown protest at war memorial | US news | The Guardian

Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin and Confederate Flag Featured at White House Rally | Colorlines

Crazy, Unpopular Ted Cruz Is Also Dishonest -- NYMag
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Old 05-29-2015, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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You listen to the MSM and read the Cruz haters here and you'd think this guy doesn't have a shot. But I suspect he's going to surprise a lot of people in the GOP debates.
He may but the question is does the nation see him as electable or is he just attractive to evangelicals and Tea Party members? Remember, the Republicans need to be a big tent party to win the election.
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Old 05-30-2015, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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I think his lack of basic intelligence is rather extreme for someone in his position.
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Old 05-30-2015, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I think his lack of basic intelligence is rather extreme for someone in his position.
Politicians don't need to be "smart." I mean W. Bush had countless gaffes as so has Biden and numerous anti-Gay politicans have ended up child molesters, womanizers or gay themselves. Cruz's problem is the nation sees him as an extremist for his shutdown fiasco. His public image hasn't rebounded since and more people are STILL against him than for him and above the standard margin of error for polls. Also his 2016 candidacy only caused a slight bump that died in the second week of April. Explain that one Cruz supporters...

Ted Cruz Favorable Rating - Polls - HuffPost Pollster
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Old 05-30-2015, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Politicians don't need to be "smart." I mean W. Bush had countless gaffes as so has Biden and numerous anti-Gay politicans have ended up child molesters, womanizers or gay themselves. Cruz's problem is the nation sees him as an extremist for his shutdown fiasco. His public image hasn't rebounded since and more people are STILL against him than for him and above the standard margin of error for polls. Also his 2016 candidacy only caused a slight bump that died in the second week of April. Explain that one Cruz supporters...

Ted Cruz Favorable Rating - Polls - HuffPost Pollster
The question isn't about whether a politician is smart or not.

Cruz's gambit, positioning, and words is to align with the hard right, social conservatives, Tea Party types who relish a take-no-prisoners, confrontational stance. This may get him far in the primaries where these groups comprise a disproportionate % of the electorate, but as you've mentioned earlier, it makes it hard to
appeal to the electorate at large in the general.
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Old 05-30-2015, 05:21 PM
 
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Exclamation Cruz to the point!

Cruz is to the point and does not beat around the bush. That being said he goes after corruption in the GOP and the DNC. He is very educated and always returns to the facts. which scares Liberals , because they can not speak to the facts.
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Old 05-30-2015, 05:28 PM
 
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I just don't see it.

Yes, the senator is pro-life, yes he is opposed to the death tax and wants to simplify the tax system, yes he is opposed to Obamacare, yes he is for a strong military.


Sure, his stands are "controversial", the Democrats passed measures like Obamacare and Dodd Frank by strict party line votes.

And if you like you can certainly stand it opposition to the stands of the Texas senator.

But he's hardly an "extremist", just a vocal advocate for very mainstream, Republican ideas that have widespread support.

The problem that Cruz has isn't his so-called "extremism", but that he is being labeled as an "extremist".


"Single payer" health care is certainly more extreme (albeit on the other end of the spectrum) than anything Cruz advocates for. The Democratic Party as a whole rejected the idea when they could have passed it in 2009-10 as a bit too much for the very liberal party. Will candidate Sanders be labeled an "extremist" for his current support of it? Will Mrs. Clinton's own health care initiative of the early 90's be cited as evidence of "extremist leanings"?
Agreed... he actually took a stand against McConnel and the party, God Bless him.
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Old 05-30-2015, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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The 80+ democrats losing their job since its inception, tells me it was not one guy named Ted Cruz, reading Green Eggs & Ham, that shut down 17% of the most harmful to the public, government services. Only Boehner, Reid & Obama had that power.

That's funny. Time for smoke and Mirrors. Reflect and deflect. Nice try, but no cigar. ....wait, no, ...it wasn't even a nice try. It was comical. Cruz is an Extremist. Go to he Dictionary and look up "Extremist." His picture is there.
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Old 05-30-2015, 05:35 PM
 
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The question isn't about whether a politician is smart or not.

Cruz's gambit, positioning, and words is to align with the hard right, social conservatives, Tea Party types who relish a take-no-prisoners, confrontational stance. This may get him far in the primaries where these groups comprise a disproportionate % of the electorate, but as you've mentioned earlier, it makes it hard to
appeal to the electorate at large in the general.
I see, so opposing "traditional" marriage for gays but ok with a civil union is being hard right? Being pro-life is being hard right? Opposing illegal immigration and another amnesty is being hard right? WTH has happened to our country when common sense and morality is considered to be hard right?
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Old 05-30-2015, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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Ted Cruz initiates a government shutdown, then idiotically reads Dr. Seuss while wasting a lot of taxpayer money and then has the absolute gall to join a protest in front of the WH with Palin and a group of RWNJs carrying confederate flags and insulting the POTUS, in order to protest the government shutdown he initiated. He's not "controversial." He's simply an arrogant, crazy jerk. I believe this opinion is reflected in his absolutely dismal poll ratings among the American public.

Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz lead shutdown protest at war memorial | US news | The Guardian

Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin and Confederate Flag Featured at White House Rally | Colorlines

Crazy, Unpopular Ted Cruz Is Also Dishonest -- NYMag

Good post. He is absolutely a Nut Case, and has a better chance of being struck by a Meteor, than a chance being elected President or even the GOP Candidate,
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