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I would think we are on the last 20 years of humans driving cars. So figure out what you are going to use as an argument when we decide it is to dangerous to trust humans with cars. Good thought...you know we could likely make guns that only work for their owners and are always tracked as to where they are. Can do it for a dog or car keys...why not guns.
There is absolutely zero chance that we're on the last 20 years of people driving cars. 20 years from now there will almost certainly be cars that drive themselves, but most are still going to be driven by people. Cars sold today are still going to be on the road 20 years from now and most of the cars sold 10 years from now will still be on the road in 20 years.
There have been attempts to make guns that only work for certain people, absolutely zero law enforcement departments use them. Why do you suppose that is?
There are well over 300 million guns in the US (I read one gun company exec who estimated 800 million) how do you propose your tracking system is going to work for them? It won't. Even if you mandated that all new firearms had this mythical tracking and owner specific firing capability there will be hundreds of millions of 'untracked' guns in the country for over 100 years.
As usual for frightened anti gun people you're not trying to solve the problem of criminal violence you're trying to push a political agenda.
We don't look at drunk driving as an automobile problem where we have to limit access of the sober public to cars.
Yet when these mental defectives turn a weapon on innocent victims, the focus is on the gun and not the nut holding it.
We need to refocus on this issue.
Millions of law abiding gun owners across America never cause a problem.
A handful of psychotic sadsacks repeatedly cause massive problems, yet they're still allowed to circulate freely among us.
This has to stop.
In absence of a prior history of violence, what sort of objective criteria do you use to determine who is a "psychotic sadsack"? Most homicides are premeditated, not sudden snaps.
The purpose of a car is transportation.
The intent of a drunk driver is usually to get from point A to B, not kill other people.
The purpose of a gun is to wound /kill the target.
We have more guns and more homicides than anywhere else in the developed world. It's beyond the tipping point. Gun violence is the price of the 2nd Amendment. It's circular.
Every sensationalized shooting brings out the " they are going to take out guns away" crowds. What could be easier than securing their support with half- baked comments about doing something about the mentally ill.
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You take away guns and the same person that was going to use that gun will now use another weapon or an illegal gun. The common denominator is the person not the weapon used. Whatever you take away they will find something else to use. Take care of the root of the problem.
That something else will not be as efficient as a gun, especially an automatic weapon.
All that does is prove how absurd it is to say guns are the problem. If GUNS are the problem why don't all those areas where guns are more prevalent and "easy to get" have even worse violence issues than Chicago? Why should people in the other 99% of the country have to lose their rights because some urban animals can't act in a civilized manner?
CC has been legal in Illinois now for 2 years.
You cannot buy a gun legally in Chicago. Nothing has ever prevented anyone from buying a gun in a nearby suburb or in Indiana. Most of the guns that are confiscated by the Chicago Police off criminals are traced to just a few dealers and were straw purchases.
Most people in Chicago don't affiliate with gangs, live or travel in the ghetto. Gun violence is very concentrated, by geography and tends to be gang related.
There is absolutely zero chance that we're on the last 20 years of people driving cars. 20 years from now there will almost certainly be cars that drive themselves, but most are still going to be driven by people. Cars sold today are still going to be on the road 20 years from now and most of the cars sold 10 years from now will still be on the road in 20 years.
There have been attempts to make guns that only work for certain people, absolutely zero law enforcement departments use them. Why do you suppose that is?
There are well over 300 million guns in the US (I read one gun company exec who estimated 800 million) how do you propose your tracking system is going to work for them? It won't. Even if you mandated that all new firearms had this mythical tracking and owner specific firing capability there will be hundreds of millions of 'untracked' guns in the country for over 100 years.
As usual for frightened anti gun people you're not trying to solve the problem of criminal violence you're trying to push a political agenda.
As usual for frightened pro gun people, you't not trying to solve the problem of criminal violence- you're trying to push a political agenda.
The second amendment is not going to be repealed. There are too many guns in this country for any gun control law to make a dent.
Gun violence is the price we pay for the right to bear arms.
Other than a history of prior violence there is no reasonable way to predict future violence.
Japan, the developed world's least firearm-filled nation, has very strict gun control laws. The only guns one can legally buy are shot guns and airguns. One has to affirmatively prove their ongoing competence and mental fitness to do so. A rigorous background check for of the entire family, drug usage, any criminal record or association with criminal or extremist groups and employment, as defined by their government, are also required. Works for them. They have the fewest firearms and the fewest firearm homicides.
Yes, that's what the ignorant always say. People with knives have wounded and killed large numbers of people in other countries, the nuts who do things like that use guns in the US and blades in other countries.
All that does is prove how absurd it is to say guns are the problem. If GUNS are the problem why don't all those areas where guns are more prevalent and "easy to get" have even worse violence issues than Chicago? Why should people in the other 99% of the country have to lose their rights because some urban animals can't act in a civilized manner?
In all those cases casualties would have been far higher with guns. Face it. Guns are a more efficiernt way of killing people. If they were made difficult to obtain the death rate would go down.
Guns are merely a tool in the process and a tool that is better than others if the objective is to kill people.
Ban the efficient tool and the process becomes less effective.
A ban would have to be pretty much universal to be effective. Bad guys travel too.
I would think we are on the last 20 years of humans driving cars. So figure out what you are going to use as an argument when we decide it is to dangerous to trust humans with cars.
Get back to me on that in 20 years.
We'll talk.
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Good thought...you know we could likely make guns that only work for their owners and are always tracked as to where they are. Can do it for a dog or car keys...why not guns.
Have we lessened the drunk driving issue through automobile controls or by focusing on the drunks?
In absence of a prior history of violence, what sort of objective criteria do you use to determine who is a "psychotic sadsack"? Most homicides are premeditated, not sudden snaps.
A history of psycho behavior, which is evident in each and every case of these mental defectives going over the edge.
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The purpose of a car is transportation.
Thanks for that update
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The intent of a drunk driver is usually to get from point A to B, not kill other people.
OK
But their victims are just as dead. And they're more numerous, as well.
The purpose of a gun is to wound /kill the target.
Only if it's being employed to wound/kill the target.
My guns and I have never harmed anyone and I've fired untold thousand of rounds through them.
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We have more guns and more homicides than anywhere else in the developed world. It's beyond the tipping point. Gun violence is the price of the 2nd Amendment. It's circular.
We have more population than anywhere else in the developed world. Add to that, many thousands of suicides are added in to the "gun violence" statistics, making it look worse than it would if were limited to criminal acts.
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Every sensationalized shooting brings out the " they are going to take out guns away" crowds. What could be easier than securing their support with half- baked comments about doing something about the mentally ill.
The mentally disturbed are the perps in each and every case here. Let's focus on the root of the problem.
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