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Old 02-10-2016, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Des Moines, Iowa
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Mrs Carson said they did it in her presence. Cruz wasn't apologizing because he was innocent.
That happened in one precinct. Nothing was communicated in my precinct and Cruz still won 100 votes to 12 (Carson).

Faux controversy but I get it. This is politics. You grab and throw whatever might stick on the wall.

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Old 02-10-2016, 08:48 AM
 
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The thread is an opinion of who will be the winning candidate. Posters can only agree that Cruz is the nominee? Get real, Cruz is not going to win. The "or..." the OP left open will most likely be Jeb! The establishment lane of the race has the most voters, the most money and all of the political strength at the convention. Once they settle on a candidate, it's all over.
Back to your ranch hoss! The op was commenting on the fact that in the past the rnc candidate had either won Iowa or nh.

U all are arguing a statement and inserting opinions into it. as much as I like jeb as a person he will not be the nominee.
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Old 02-10-2016, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Virginia
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Kasich will have the wind knocked out of his sails in SC.
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Old 02-10-2016, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Des Moines, Iowa
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Well history suggests that SC and the south will be very kind to Jeb!. And if anything, the election so far tells us that history is out the window in this one. But, I will leave the thread alone and you can discuss how history is all that matters.
If wishes were fishes...

Well, provide a historical case then. No one is stopping you and it wiould be welcomed (and maybe eye-opening). There are plenty of threads where we are all expressing ouropinions in who we'd like to win and why.

The point of this thread was to draw from history to project what is likely to happen.

(expecting crickets since there is no history to rely on for the Jeb case)>
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Old 02-10-2016, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Sweet Home Chicago!
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Kasich will have the wind knocked out of his sails in SC.
Yep, they asked a couple SC focus groups last night if any of them were planning to vote for Kasich after his strong showing in NH and not one person raised their hand.

It's a two man race now, Trump and Cruz.
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Old 02-10-2016, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Trump is up big in all of the Southern states except for Texas. And we should expect the polls to tighten there too if Trump rolls big in SC and NV. If he wins Georgia, and has a respectable showing in Texas, then it's going to be nearly impossible to stop him.
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Old 02-10-2016, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Here are the chances FiveThirtyEight gives Trump, Cruz, Rubio and Bush in the remaining contests.

South Carolina (Feb 20) - 55% Trump, 19% Rubio, 16% Cruz, 7% Bush
Nevada (Feb 23) - 31% Trump, 19% Cruz, 11% Rubio, Bush 5%
Georgia (Mar 1)- 43% Trump, 30% Rubio, 19% Cruz, >2% Bush
Texas (Mar 1) - 44% Cruz, 27% Trump, 8% Rubio, 5% Bush (polling average)
Michigan (Mar 8) - 75% Trump, 13% Rubio, 10% Cruz, >1% Bush
Florida (Mar 15) - 58% Trump, 14% Cruz, 7% Rubio, 1% Bush
North Carolina (Mar 15) - 52% Trump, 27% Cruz, 15% Rubio, 1% Bush
Arizona (Mar 22) - 38% Trump, 16% Cruz, 11% Rubio, 8% Bush
Wisconsin (Apr 5) - 23% Trump, 18% Rubio, 16% Cruz, 1% Bush
New York (Apr 19) - 33% Trump, 16% Rubio, 16% Cruz, 6% Bush (polling average)
Pennsylvania (Apr 26) - 24% Trump, 14% Cruz, 10% Rubio, 6% Bush (polling average)

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...an/#polls-only

The real battleground, imo, is Nevada. Maybe someone drops out of the race between now and then (unlikely). If Trump does a clean sweep of South Carolina, Nevada and Georgia, then it's probably a wrap.
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Old 02-10-2016, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Des Moines, Iowa
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Here are the chances FiveThirtyEight gives Trump, Cruz, Rubio and Bush in the remaining contests.

South Carolina (Feb 20) - 55% Trump, 19% Rubio, 16% Cruz, 7% Bush
Nevada (Feb 23) - 31% Trump, 19% Cruz, 11% Rubio, Bush 5%
Georgia (Mar 1)- 43% Trump, 30% Rubio, 19% Cruz, >2% Bush
Texas (Mar 1) - 44% Cruz, 27% Trump, 8% Rubio, 5% Bush (polling average)
Michigan (Mar 8) - 75% Trump, 13% Rubio, 10% Cruz, >1% Bush
Florida (Mar 15) - 58% Trump, 14% Cruz, 7% Rubio, 1% Bush
North Carolina (Mar 15) - 52% Trump, 27% Cruz, 15% Rubio, 1% Bush
Arizona (Mar 22) - 38% Trump, 16% Cruz, 11% Rubio, 8% Bush
Wisconsin (Apr 5) - 23% Trump, 18% Rubio, 16% Cruz, 1% Bush
New York (Apr 19) - 33% Trump, 16% Rubio, 16% Cruz, 6% Bush (polling average)
Pennsylvania (Apr 26) - 24% Trump, 14% Cruz, 10% Rubio, 6% Bush (polling average)

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...an/#polls-only

The real battleground, imo, is Nevada. Maybe someone drops out of the race between now and then (unlikely). If Trump does a clean sweep of South Carolina, Nevada and Georgia, then it's probably a wrap.
This is interesting fodder for discussion but the problem is these are odds based on polls without any consideration for what has occurred historically.

Polls continue to disappoint...and they are trending downward in reliability.
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Old 02-10-2016, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Des Moines, Iowa
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I'd suggest that the modest length of this thread is testament to why you don't hear the talking political heads discuss these historical truths. That is, based on past GOP early states primary history, the Republican race is now just a two man contest.

It doesn't make for great TV (or radio). They'd quickly run out of things to say, speculate about, etc. CNN would have had nothing to say once the race was called for Trump last night.

"OK....that's a wrap! It is onto South Carolina to see who wins between the only two remaining viable candidates."

They could send their round table panel of experts home and return to "normal" news programming.

It is also the reason so few people realize this is really a two-man race now. No one is telling you this, because it doesn't make for great TV (read: ad revenue generation)
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Old 02-10-2016, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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This is interesting fodder for discussion but the problem is these are odds based on polls without any consideration for what has occurred historically.

Polls continue to disappoint...and they are trending downward in reliability.
I disagree. This is not like any other time in history so relying on what was, is not going to be the reality.

Cruz is showing his true colors and they aren't pretty. He wanted to use the "holier than thou" as a platform and use deceit on the side, and for those not familiar with how Christianity is supposed to work, that is not the way. I would hope that he loses the votes of those that believe that honesty and fairness are Christian values. The polls for Trump have held pretty steady while the others came up and went down.
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