Question for Disheartened Sanders Supporters. (NAFTA, liberals, Kennedy, Pelosi)
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Promise Scholarship is very different from 'free college'.
Then all Bernie has to do is win the votes in those states. Easy Peasy.
BTW - you are wrong if you really think they want a natipnal health care system (socialism!) in southern states OR anything seen as NOT being 'tough on crime".
Those are seen as 'bad' regardless of how good they are. They hate the ACA or anything smacking of 'socialized medicine'. Now if Trump presents it - different story.
"free college" is very different from "tuition free public university for people who do well in high school" which is what Bernie aspires to.
Democrats in those states want a medicare-for-all system. By the way that's not socialized medicine. We have to ask ourselves why there is such a huge disconnect between public opinion and public policy. The definition of a democracy would be a system where public policy closely matches public opinion. The democracy gap in America is enormous. End the main reason for that is legalized corruption by special interests.
Let's remember that some of those Democratic Congresspeople come from largely red states. Blue Dog Democrats if you will.
A democratic leader from say West Virginia, Virginia, or any of the southern states will not be able to vote for those policies. Because THEIR VOTERS won't want it.
Everything is not done with evil intent.
Are you sure the Democratic voters in West Virginia dont want it? Another big sign how strong Sanders is among the white working class which are swing voters and crucial for Democrats.
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Trump and Sanders Have Big Leads in MetroNews West Virginia Poll®
February 22, 2016
In the Democratic Party race for president, Sanders leads former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton by nearly
two-to-one, 57 percent-to-29 percent
Are you sure the Democratic voters in West Virginia dont want it?
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“While our survey was conducted before the South Carolina primary and the Nevada caucus, the
momentum for Trump and Sanders coming out of significant victories in New Hampshire has propelled
both of these outsider candidates to big leads in West Virginia,”
So sure, that lead is going to stick while Hillary racks up victory after victory prior to a May 10 WV primary. Who knows if Bernie will even still be in the race at that point!
So sure, that lead is going to stick while Hillary racks up victory after victory prior to a May 10 WV primary. Who knows if Bernie will even still be in the race at that point!
That's not the point. Democrats like the one I replied to keep talking about how people in states like West Virginia would really dislike Sanders and his policies. People are simply uniformed on who really supports Sanders. It is a testimony to the folly of electability and how Bernie, not Hillary, is the best general election candidate. People are under the illusion that Bernie is some type of far left hippie whose main support are among far leftists.
The white working class is absolutely crucial in a general election. Not only young voters and independents where Sanders already does extremely well. The reason why Sanders is so immensely popular in Vermont as well is precisely because he has support among broad groups of people. Not simply the classic Dem voter of urbanites and African Americans and well educated people and upper middle class people in the north east and west coast.
If people want a candidate that can beat the Republican nominee by having appeal among broad groups of people, Sanders is the best choice.
Are you sure the Democratic voters in West Virginia dont want it? Another big sign how strong Sanders is among the white working class which are swing voters and crucial for Democrats.
I lived and walked amongst them. West Virginia will go hard for Trump. Let's see how Sanders does in WV and then we will know for sure.
The Democrats are generally very conservative democrats. Again, we will soon know for sure.
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Originally Posted by PCALMike
That's not the point. Democrats like the one I replied to keep talking about how people in states like West Virginia would really dislike Sanders and his policies. People are simply uniformed on who really supports Sanders. It is a testimony to the folly of electability and how Bernie, not Hillary, is the best general election candidate. People are under the illusion that Bernie is some type of far left hippie whose main support are among far leftists.
The white working class is absolutely crucial in a general election. Not only young voters and independents where Sanders already does extremely well. The reason why Sanders is so immensely popular in Vermont as well is precisely because he has support among broad groups of people. Not simply the classic Dem voter of urbanites and African Americans and well educated people and upper middle class people in the north east and west coast.
If people want a candidate that can beat the Republican nominee by having appeal among broad groups of people, Sanders is the best choice.
I'm telling YOU what THEIR perception is. Unless you live in WV - then you have absolutely no idea. Perhaps you do; I no longer do but still do business there and have friends and family there. I grew up in southern Alabama. I know from conservative Dems. Vermont is quite different than WV.
Again, the people will speak and then we will know.
You seem to be unable to stand the most mild comments directed at your candidate. Wait until he has been vetted by the MSM - which even follows Hillary to the bathroom. Bernie is about to get a great big taste of that if he stays on the national stage. We shall see how he and his supporters hold up.
The perception in West Virginia is that corporate "third way" democrats sold out the working class. The white working class voters are being swayed back to the Democratic party by Bernie. These are the same people that went to the Republicans and Reagan in the 80s and made the Democratic party more reliant on southern African American voters in the first place. The fact that so many Hillary supporters refuse to see this is worrying. Bernie's cross-over appeal is real. Hillary's is not.
The perception in West Virginia is that corporate "third way" democrats sold out the working class. The white working class voters are being swayed back to the Democratic party by Bernie. These are the same people that went to the Republicans and Reagan in the 80s and made the Democratic party more reliant on southern African American voters in the first place. The fact that so many Hillary supporters refuse to see this is worrying. Bernie's cross-over appeal is real. Hillary's is not.
Maybe if you repeat it often enough - it will become true.
The perception in West Virginia is that corporate "third way" democrats sold out the working class. The white working class voters are being swayed back to the Democratic party by Bernie. These are the same people that went to the Republicans and Reagan in the 80s and made the Democratic party more reliant on southern African American voters in the first place. The fact that so many Hillary supporters refuse to see this is worrying. Bernie's cross-over appeal is real. Hillary's is not.
And yet Bernie's appeal to traditional Democratic voting blocs remains questionable. And yes that is a potential issue for a general election. But why you think the Democratic party should abandon a candidate who doesn't win their base in favor of one that fickle independents want is beyond me.
And yet Bernie's appeal to traditional Democratic voting blocs remains questionable. And yes that is a potential issue for a general election. But why you think the Democratic party should abandon a candidate who doesn't win their base in favor of one that fickle independents want is beyond me.
Nope. The elderly African American woman is not going to vote Trump if Sanders is the nominee. Hillary's strengths are among the people who are most loyal to the Democratic party. Sanders on the other hand appeals to the swing voters and apathetic voters. That's what wins elections.
I want to simplify: Bernie is real, Hillary is not. Lots of people are noticing that she has apparently already fixed the outcome by using "Superdelegates". Lots of people resent that the fix in in.
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Another big sign how strong Sanders is among the white working class which are swing voters and crucial for Democrats.
