Question for Disheartened Sanders Supporters. (Iran, middle east, Israel, brainwash)
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I'm reading quite a few post indicating that if Sanders doesn't win the nomination that Sanders supporters aren't going to show up to vote for Hillary in the general; so let me ask you this;
If you can't put up with Hillary for 4 years how are you going to deal with a conservative Supreme Court for 20?
They court has been conservative for a long time and the liberals have been getting everything they wanted, so I'm not sure that is such a big deal for them.
I want to simplify: Bernie is real, Hillary is not. Lots of people are noticing that she has apparently already fixed the outcome by using "Superdelegates". Lots of people resent that the fix in in.
Superdelegates are part of the process and have been for many decades. Bernie's senior advisor Tad Devine is an architect of the process. It was never intended for superdelegates to be simply additional delegates to be allocated according to the vote, those would just be more pledged delegates instead.
The reality is that entitled Bernie supporters think that just because he's their choice, he has to be everyone's choice. Nope. The supers can switch if and when they want to but they are completely within their discretion to declare their support in advance of their state's primary.
And btw, Hillary got more votes in 2008, but it was clear that Obama had the momentum and the supers switched to him, they were not forced to vote in lockstep with the vote. But Hillary asked her supporters to switch to Obama so we could elect a Democrat. Not this butt hurt whining.
The problem is I don't believe Hillary will do anything she say's she's going to do. I fully believe she's pandering because Bernie has made it necessary for her to address issues that she didn't want to address before.
Voting for Hillary is a vote for more of the same old corporatocracy. I'd rather write-in.
The problem is I don't believe Hillary will do anything she say's she's going to do. I fully believe she's pandering because Bernie has made it necessary for her to address issues that she didn't want to address before.
Voting for Hillary is a vote for more of the same old corporatocracy. I'd rather write-in.
Exactly, and this is a very valid opinion. Why others refuse to acknowledge the dishonesty and fakeness of Clinton is beyond my comprehension.
She has the same funders and support of the Republican candidates many of her supporters seem to be so petrified by. That makes no sense.
So, what we have is Hillary using her deep influence to seize control of the democratic nomination with carrot and stick offerings to the powers that be in the party and a general disregard for what the voters actually want.
But you should all just lay back and go along with it seems to be the message.
Sorry, but like I did in 2004 & 2012 there are other parties and I refuse to support a party "just because". I won't vote for Hillary, Cruz or Trump for president at this point....3rd party is viable and if you do that they notice in the polls.
Otherwise you're just going to keep getting milked for free.
They court has been conservative for a long time and the liberals have been getting everything they wanted, so I'm not sure that is such a big deal for them.
I remember the letters that came to my house (wife registered democrat) that were from Ted Kennedy and Pelosi etc.
"SEND MONEY NOW! IF ROBERTS IS CONFIRMED IT WILL END ABORTION!"
Among other nuggets of impending DOOOOOOOOOM! lol.
(In fairness, the republicans were doing the same thing only pro-Roberts asking for cash. I wonder who was stupid enough to believe them and wrote them a check?)
So, what we have is Hillary using her deep influence to seize control of the democratic nomination with carrot and stick offerings to the powers that be in the party and a general disregard for what the voters actually want.
But you should all just lay back and go along with it seems to be the message.
Sorry, but like I did in 2004 & 2012 there are other parties and I refuse to support a party "just because". I won't vote for Hillary, Cruz or Trump for president at this point....3rd party is viable and if you do that they notice in the polls.
Otherwise you're just going to keep getting milked for free.
Exactly-and third party gets more funding with more votes.
Why choose "evil"? Let those that ARE evil vote evil.
Superdelegates are part of the process and have been for many decades. Bernie's senior advisor Tad Devine is an architect of the process. It was never intended for superdelegates to be simply additional delegates to be allocated according to the vote, those would just be more pledged delegates instead.
The reality is that entitled Bernie supporters think that just because he's their choice, he has to be everyone's choice. Nope. The supers can switch if and when they want to but they are completely within their discretion to declare their support in advance of their state's primary.
And btw, Hillary got more votes in 2008, but it was clear that Obama had the momentum and the supers switched to him, they were not forced to vote in lockstep with the vote. But Hillary asked her supporters to switch to Obama so we could elect a Democrat. Not this butt hurt whining.
nonsense. Hillary LOST the pledged delegates count. If Sanders wins the pledged delegates, the Democratic party will go up in flames if the superdelegates refuses to listen to the voters.
So, what we have is Hillary using her deep influence to seize control of the democratic nomination with carrot and stick offerings to the powers that be in the party and a general disregard for what the voters actually want.
But you should all just lay back and go along with it seems to be the message.
Sorry, but like I did in 2004 & 2012 there are other parties and I refuse to support a party "just because". I won't vote for Hillary, Cruz or Trump for president at this point....3rd party is viable and if you do that they notice in the polls.
Otherwise you're just going to keep getting milked for free.
Pretty much.
I do care about the make up of the Supreme Court, but I don't trust Hillary's judgement enough to believe that she would make a good choice in that regard.
Exactly, and this is a very valid opinion. Why others refuse to acknowledge the dishonesty and fakeness of Clinton is beyond my comprehension.
She has the same funders and support of the Republican candidates many of her supporters seem to be so petrified by. That makes no sense.
^^^^Ding ding ding.
The thing is that neither of us are speculating about this either. She has a 3 decade track record of such including helping to push NAFTA...which is why so many unions endorsed Obama. Do people forget stuff like that?
I remember her populist tripe about taking oil company profits too....then she took them as campaign donations. lol.
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