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Old 02-29-2016, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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So it shows a concern for the poor over the needs of the insurance and pharmaceutical companies. It beats Hillary's position.

Hillary could say she would do everything I agree with and I would not vote for her because she is a habitual liar.
You are grasping for straws. Clinton supports the existing system that works very well for the poor, Medicaid. Trump, on the other hand, is showing his ignorance with the U.S. healthcare system by not even knowing that Medicare exists.
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Old 02-29-2016, 07:47 AM
 
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You are grasping for straws. Clinton supports the existing system that works very well for the poor, Medicaid. Trump, on the other hand, is showing his ignorance with the U.S. healthcare system by not even knowing that Medicare exists.
Obamacare Gap Traps Millions With Coverage Who Can

It isn't working for the poor. Having insurance and being able to afford to use it are two different things.
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Old 02-29-2016, 07:51 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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You nailed it! Style and substance!

Trump doesn't scare me either. The man is friends with the Clintons. A fiscal conservative? Sure. But so is Hillary! She and her Wall St and buddies that she will be beholden to after the election.

Do I think Trump is an Evangelical??? NO. I think he rarely if ever goes to church - only to marry his latest bride. A social conservative? No. How many times has he been married? He builds casinos? Please...

As a NYer who lives in Ohio (and went to college in Massachusetts ), Trump has never been a social conservative.

This whole thing could be an act to get into the White House. When he gets in, he will do what Trump always does - whatever the hell he wants.

Actually, I am not even sure he is as big a xenophobic as he pretends to be. His mother was an immigrant. His father was first generation. He's no Mayflower descendant
Immigration is a hot issue among white working class voters. He knows how to talk to that crowd.

At any rate, I see no real or scenario where Hillary Clinton needs my vote. NONE.

However, Bernie needs my help to get the nomination. There are many more progressive states than SC. I am not ready to give up yet.

I am tired of being cajoled, manipulated, shamed and castigated into changing my allegiance tby Hillerites who want me to assure them that I will "Vote Blue no Matter Who".

I registered as a Democrat and my first vote was for Jimmy Carter. I am at the point where labels don't matter to me. Ideology and honesty do. My party has moved so far to the right that I barely recognize it. And the Clinton's with their "Third Way Democrat" and "New Democrat" ideology, have been extremely instrumental in moving my party to the right.

Because I am a woman and a registered Democrat, do not take my vote for granted.
He just yesterday refused to disavow David Duke and the KKK. He is the exact opposite of anything and everything Bernie stands for. His hateful rhetoric is dividing the nation.


Your vote is of course your vote. But I don't understand how any progressive think a Trump White House would be good for this nation.


Of course you shouldn't give up yet. See how things go on Super Tuesday.
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Old 02-29-2016, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Obamacare Gap Traps Millions With Coverage Who Can

It isn't working for the poor. Having insurance and being able to afford to use it are two different things.
What are you talking about? We are discussing Medicaid -- the program that provides health care for the poor. It doesn't cost Medicaid recipients a penny and was around 50 years before the ACA.
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Old 02-29-2016, 07:59 AM
 
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He just yesterday refused to disavow David Duke and the KKK. He is the exact opposite of anything and everything Bernie stands for. His hateful rhetoric is dividing the nation.


Your vote is of course your vote. But I don't understand how any progressive think a Trump White House would be good for this nation.


Of course you shouldn't give up yet. See how things go on Super Tuesday.
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Old 02-29-2016, 08:00 AM
 
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What are you talking about? We are discussing Medicaid -- the program that provides health care for the poor. It doesn't cost Medicaid recipients a penny.
We are discussing health care. Obamacare is a failure.
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Old 02-29-2016, 08:06 AM
 
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We are discussing health care. Obamacare is a failure.
No, we were discussing your ABC link that you said shows that Trump wants UHC, but actually said he doesn't want UHC. The article also had statements from Trump stating that we need a program for the poor -- indicated that Trump had no idea that there was already such a program -- Medicaid. His lack of rudimentary knowledge about existing government programs is astounding for a citizen and frightening coming from a presidential candidate.
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Old 02-29-2016, 08:10 AM
 
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No, we were discussing your ABC link that you said shows that Trump wants UHC, but actually said he doesn't want UHC. The article also had statements from Trump stating that we need a program for the poor -- indicated that Trump had no idea that there was already such a program -- Medicaid. His lack of rudimentary knowledge about existing government programs is astounding for a citizen and frightening coming from a presidential candidate.
I'm not voting for him so your point is irrelevant.
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Old 02-29-2016, 08:20 AM
 
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I'm not voting for him so your point is irrelevant.
I'm not campaigning on anyone's behalf. The purpose of debate is to provide information and to dispel misinformation, while laying out logical discussion.
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Old 02-29-2016, 09:04 AM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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This isn't true. The first part is the same as me. I am not a (D) but I'm voting for Bernie. I've complained for years about lying politicians and I get excuse after excuse after excuse, "they all lie". Bernie is by far the most honest politician running. I've said over and over that I would vote for an honest politician I disagree with over a liar telling me what I want to hear. I now have that opportunity even though there is much I agree with Bernie on.

Ending the wars is attainable. We just have to demand it. We did it 40 some years ago. We were demanding it 8 years ago. Obama promised it but lied. And then he promised it again, and again, and again. The reason it hasn't been attainable is because those who want it won't hold him accountable.

We can have universal health care. Other countries do. We prefer to waste our money on wars though. On massive hand outs to Wall Street over and over.



Yes, Cruz is not going to win. In reality where it matters Cruz and Hillary aren't that much different. A few social issues. It's sad that people will vote to continue to send our kids off to get killed over a few social issues.



Economically he could not do worse than the last 16 years. It's so odd that so many who worry about Trump over this refuse to condemn Obama for doing the very thing they worry about Trump doing. They have NO standing to tell me who to vote for.



He isn't going to build a wall. He knows it, we all know it.



This is what is sad about Hillary. Her support is totally built upon the idea of people knowing she is a lying sell out to Wall Street that will continue to crap upon the middle and lower classes but maybe her court picks will be better. The facts are, there is very little real influence the courts have now. There are too many people and any laws are easy to get around.



She will easily work with the GOP on the next Wall Street bail out.
She needs to repay her benefactors. So, there will be a senseless war. And her beloved Chelsea will not be fighting in that war.

And you are right. There will be no wall.
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