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If Senator Sanders does not get the Democratic nomination, do you intend to vote for Hillary? If so, under what circumstances will you vote for her? If she needs your vote? What if Cruz or Rubio are the Republican nominations, would it change if Trump was nominated? I'd like to know your thoughts.
do you intend to vote for Hillary?
Absolutely NOT
If so, under what circumstances will you vote for her?
NONE
If she needs your vote?
not sure what you mean
What if Cruz or Rubio are the Republican nominations
Rubio is close to the establishment, Cruz is too conservative. It would depend how they behave during the general election
would it change if Trump was nominated?
It would also depend how Trump behaves during the general election
How someone that supports Bernie can ALSO support a man who calls for banning of all Muslims; forced deportation of all illegal immigrants; and is supported by the KKK ~ makes no sense to me. He is the epitome of everything Bernie is against. It's almost schizo.
I can only guess that their core beliefs are extremely fluid.
Both Bernie and Trump are self-funded and anti-establishment which is why I could vote for Mr. Trump as my second choice. I am about 90% liberal on my views which is why I line up mostly with Bernie. The 2 conservative views that I have are I am a big 2nd amendment supporter and I am against illegal immigration. I also am not for bringing in Muslims considering what has happened in Europe. I am NOT a supporter of the KKK. On a side not, Donald's tax plan would also benefit me. I am sure you can now see how I can support either candidate.
here is something that might spark your interest...
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Some of those voters tell pollsters they doubt they could support Hillary Clinton, Mr. Sanders’ chief competition for the party’s nod, saying she’s part of the very establishment the maverick Vermont senator is fighting against.
Either Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump for me. If it is Bernie Sanders vs. Donald Trump, then I will pick Trump.
Bernie or Donald for me as well Lilyflower. I still can't decide which, although as of late I'm leaning more Trump. I did vote for Bernie already but if it's a Bernie vs Trump it will be good for me because I'll have them side by side talking about the issues.
OP, if Sanders doesn't make it I will be a Trump vote.
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I really don't see the logic for one who thinks the country needs to move to the left, voting for Trump. His tax proposal; immigration stance; views of Muslims; his stance on gay marriage; are all far-right. His foreign policy is basically one that bullies others to do our bidding and diplomacy is a sign of weakness.
Am I trying to scare you? No, but you should be scared that Trump has a good shot at being president. I'm pretty terrified at that prospect for the nation.
You really didn't read my post did you.
Where did it say I was voting for trump? I said I not voting for Hillary. And that I'm will to accept the consequences of my nonvote.
On top of this you did not answer any of my question. Can you answer them please. That is....if you have any actual answers for me.
As for moving left. Yes I can see that you can't understand. It's really simple. In essence through my nonvote I'm trying to send you/Democratic Party the message that I (some others) will not vote for your candidates if I (they) feel they don't respesent my (their) POV. My nonvote is the consequence you/Democratic Party has to be willing to pay for putting up a center candidate. Center is not cut it for me.
As for everything you posted. I believe I have already addressed that last post.
They agree on virtually none of it. They disagree on Wall Street. On the wars. On Health care. On education. On the role of the police. Need I continue?
Negative. They agree on plenty. Protecting social security, expanding health coverage (whether through ACA or Medicare), protecting marriage equality, protecting women's choice, having a foreign policy where we are respected and act rationally (unlike with Trump), appointing progressive SCOTUS justices, keeping taxes low for middle class, etc.
having a foreign policy where we are respected and act rationally (unlike with Trump).
Um, that ship has sailed-and both Obama and Hillary are included in the blame.
War-mongers, both of them. Trump may talk out of his ass but Hillary actually held a position of power and supported the invasion of sovereign countries and the murdering of countless innocents.
I just saw a great Bernie ad, saying that we have a rigged economy that benefits the 1%, and you can't fight a corrupt system while taking their money. Those who are saying they will vote for Bernie or not at all or support a third party are the ones who get it. There are two choices, Bernie or living off the crumbs that fall off your master's table. How many times have the people voted for change or taken America back with no major shift in policy? Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Are you threating me? Are seriously trying to scare me? Well it's not working.
Let me now state that I'm registered Independent. So I'm behold to no one in this race. I just happen to like Bernie's platform. Even if it would be mostly unattainable.
Now:
1. I have questions for you. Can you show me the math where Cruz actually has a chance to win the nomination? Also even if Cruz gets the nod (unlikely), will get a heartfelt backing by the GOP? Methinks not.
Honestly, he will be defeated by Hillary without need of my help.
2. I'm not afraid of trump.
Now will he in my opinion take the country in the wrong direction economically...yep. But..... really if he is as terrible as people say he is, then most likely it's one and done for him. And the dems get another 2 terms in the White House.
As for social aspects with trump. I don't by for a second he is a big social conservative. I had to live in the New York metro/Northern NJ area for 7 long years. I meet plenty of guys like him and there all $h!t talkers. Big tough talk...until it time to put up. Maybe with immigration he may stay the course. But on everything else. He'll cave. Just watch.
3. With the Supreme Court. I'm willing to live with consequences of my nonaction in order to (hopefully)send a message to the Democratic Party to move left again. Granted I'm still not that worried about possibles of trump selections.
4. Let me end with one more question. Can you tell me what major piece of legislation Hillary will get pushed through if she takes the White House? This is as opposed to Bernie taking it.
You nailed it! Style and substance!
Trump doesn't scare me either. The man is friends with the Clintons. A fiscal conservative? Sure. But so is Hillary! She and her Wall St and buddies that she will be beholden to after the election.
Do I think Trump is an Evangelical??? NO. I think he rarely if ever goes to church - only to marry his latest bride. A social conservative? No. How many times has he been married? He builds casinos? Please...
As a NYer who lives in Ohio (and went to college in Massachusetts ), Trump has never been a social conservative.
This whole thing could be an act to get into the White House. When he gets in, he will do what Trump always does - whatever the hell he wants.
Actually, I am not even sure he is as big a xenophobic as he pretends to be. His mother was an immigrant. His father was first generation. He's no Mayflower descendant
Immigration is a hot issue among white working class voters. He knows how to talk to that crowd.
At any rate, I see no real or scenario where Hillary Clinton needs my vote. NONE.
However, Bernie needs my help to get the nomination. There are many more progressive states than SC. I am not ready to give up yet.
I am tired of being cajoled, manipulated, shamed and castigated into changing my allegiance tby Hillerites who want me to assure them that I will "Vote Blue no Matter Who".
I registered as a Democrat and my first vote was for Jimmy Carter. I am at the point where labels don't matter to me. Ideology and honesty do. My party has moved so far to the right that I barely recognize it. And the Clinton's with their "Third Way Democrat" and "New Democrat" ideology, have been extremely instrumental in moving my party to the right.
Because I am a woman and a registered Democrat, do not take my vote for granted.
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), Trump has never been a social conservative. 
