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Old 03-21-2016, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Right. You have the facts.

The top 1% are hurting. All they did was increase their share of of the nation's wealth from 40% to 50% under Obama and from 35% to 50% since Clinton.

Nothing like a to 1% apologist. Clinton promises more of the same. Did I leave out how the African-American population has been economically crushed and subjected to unprecedented incarcerations under the Democrats? Did I leave out deportations and the misery of Latinos under the Democrats' Slave Labor practices.

Four more years! (The Billionaires love it).
Let me get this straight, deportations under Democrats = bad? I sincerely hope you're not a Trump supporter. That is one of his signature policies.

The mass incarceration of AAs began under Reagan, as a policy in his failed "War on Drugs". You obviously have your GOP homer goggles strapped on super tight, thus ignoring the numerous failed policies from 1981-1992 and 2001-2008.

The massive wealth gap we see today began surging under Reagan. Any attempts by Democrats to stem the tide have been blocked by (you guessed it) Republicans.

Do Republicans push for regulation and tax increases on the wealthy? No.
Did they scoff at the partial repeal of Glass-Steagall (for which there is no evidence that it caused the housing bubble)? No, they pushed for it, it was their baby.

I think your beef is with Republicans, not the Clintons.
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Old 03-21-2016, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Politicos, both Democrat and Republican, are totally in the pocket of Big Pharma and the medical industry and they gave them what they wanted. Big Government forces everyone to buy into their business. That is why single player fails! Total corruption of our Big, Big Government.

All that Obamacare did was transfer more money from healthy Americans to the top 1%. Something has to happen to stop this destruction of the middle class. You act as Obama did something great. All he did was such more money out of working families and passed it on to Billionaires.
The overhead and administrative cost for private health insurance is 17%
The overhead and administrative costs for Medicare is 2%

That completely blows holes in your argument against UHC.

"According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, administrative costs in Medicare are only about 2 percent of operating expenditures. Defenders of the insurance industry estimate administrative costs as 17 percent of revenue."

Medicare Is More Efficient Than Private Insurance
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Old 03-21-2016, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Let me get this straight, deportations under Democrats = bad?

I sincerely hope you're not a Trump supporter.

The mass incarcerations began under Reagan, as a policy in his failed "war on drugs". You obviously have GOP homer goggles on strapped super tight, thus ignoring the numerous failed policies from 1981-1992 and 2001-2008.

Do Republicans push for regulation and tax increases on the wealthy? I think your beef is with them. Trump btw, wants to give the wealthy a massive tax cut too, but he's going to ban brown people, so that makes it okay for some.
Yep, Republican and Democratic politicos can all get together when the objective is more money for themselves, more money for the top 1%, and more slave labor for mega-corporations. Neo-cons and neo-liberals share this lovely view of Big Government.
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Old 03-21-2016, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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The overhead and administrative cost for private health insurance is 17%
The overhead and administrative costs for Medicare is 2%

That completely blows holes in your argument against UHC.

"According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, administrative costs in Medicare are only about 2 percent of operating expenditures. Defenders of the insurance industry estimate administrative costs as 17 percent of revenue."

Medicare Is More Efficient Than Private Insurance
Medicare is single payer as is healthcare everywhere else in the developed economies in the world. Obamacare is a transfer of wealth from the middle class to the Billionaires who own the medical industry.

It has absolutely nothing to do with health, since the U.S. had the worse life expectancy of any developed economy.
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Old 03-22-2016, 01:33 AM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t63iS7nep3s
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Old 03-22-2016, 01:39 AM
 
Location: SoCal
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It was easy to Google:
The Clinton Presidency: Key Accomplishments
  • Longest economic expansion in American history
  • More than 22 million new jobs
  • Highest homeownership in American history
  • Lowest unemployment in 30 years
  • Raised education standards, increased school choice, and doubled education and training investment
  • Largest expansion of college opportunity since the GI Bill
  • President Clinton and Vice President Gore have nearly doubled financial aid for students by increasing Pell Grants to the largest award ever, expanding Federal Work-Study to allow 1 million students to work their way through college, and by creating new tax credits and scholarships such as Lifetime Learning tax credits and the HOPE scholarship. At the same time, taxpayers have saved $18 billion due to the decline in student loan defaults, increased collections and savings from the direct student loan program.
  • President Clinton and Vice President Gore's new commitment to education technology, including the E-Rate and a 3,000 percent increase in educational technology funding, increased the percentage of schools connected to the Internet from 35 percent in 1994 to 95 percent in 1999.
  • Lowest crime rate in 26 years
  • 100,000 more police for our streets
  • Enacted most sweeping gun safety legislation in a generation
  • Family and Medical Leave Act for 20 million Americanser.
  • Smallest welfare rolls in 32 years
  • Lowest poverty rate in 20 years
  • Lowest teen birth rate in 60 years
  • Lowest infant mortality rate in American history
  • Deactivated more than 1,700 nuclear warheads from the former Soviet Union
  • Protected millions of acres of American land
  • Paid off $360 billion of the national debt
  • Converted the largest budget deficit in American history to the largest surplus
  • Lowest government spending in three decades
  • Lowest federal income tax burden in 35 years
  • More families own stock than ever before
  • Most diverse cabinet in American history

This thread reminds me of this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9foi342LXQE
You appear to be assuming that Clinton deserves credit for all of these things, though.
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Old 03-22-2016, 01:49 AM
 
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Seven pages into this thread, and still NOT EVEN ONE listed accomplishment by Hillary!

It might be news to Democrats here, but Newt Gingrich -- who is responsible for all the good that happened during Bill's presidency -- isn't on the ballot this year, and he isn't a Democrat.

But if you want to talk about Bill, we can talk about his HUD Secretary Andrew Cuomo requiring Fannie and Freddy to buy $2.4 trillion in sub-prime mortgages over a 10 year period starting in 1999.

You know, the thing that destroyed in the economy in 2008....
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Old 03-22-2016, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Medicare is single payer as is healthcare everywhere else in the developed economies in the world. Obamacare is a transfer of wealth from the middle class to the Billionaires who own the medical industry.

It has absolutely nothing to do with health, since the U.S. had the worse life expectancy of any developed economy.
The purpose of Obamacare was to get health care reform passed -- something that was tried for decades, to get a system that insures more Americans and is affordable. It largely accomplishes that.

To even suggest that the purpose of Obamacare was to enrich insurance companies runs counter to the evidence. If that was true, then part of the law wouldn't state that insurance companies must spend 85% of premiums on actual medical bills.

One thing that I must point out is that just because an entity benefits from a government action doesn't mean that was the purpose. Yes, insurance companies get more business because of the ACA. Believing that this was the purpose and not a collateral event, is like believing that the reason that we passed the Clean Air Act was to benefit companies that make catalytic converters.
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Old 03-22-2016, 10:47 PM
 
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This will probably be an extremely short thread.

Why are the Clintons so popular?

What have they done for this country?

If anyone out there can enumerate why they think Hillary should be elected based upon past performance, I am all ears.
I don't know about you but when he was president our economy was really good.
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Old 03-23-2016, 12:41 AM
 
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I don't know about you but when he was president our economy was really good.
That was because Reagan had cleaned up Carter's mess.
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