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Old 04-07-2016, 08:45 PM
 
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-Bernie Sanders. Pros most honest of the final four. Cares about everyday people.

Cons - Don't think he would get much passed, even with a democrat congress. Mismanaged the VA Committee as chairman where he ignored reports of corruption at the VA. Seems naive on certain things - told Erin Burnett that ISIS members that return to US get arrested in 5 minutes and didn't know that ISIS members from Belgium can travel to US without a visa. Etc... Per CNN his numbers on taxes and spending are rosy and still don't add up.


-Hillary Clinton. Pros I think she can work the best with others of the final four. She and Bill have a long history of compromising.

Cons - part of that compromising is her moral standards. She is a corrupt liar. She wants to increase Social Security payments - Hillary the trust fund will run out in about 2032 at which point it can only pay about 3/4ths of the benefits, why are you trying to break it sooner for votes?


-Ted Cruz. Pros I think he would do the best on the budget of the remaining four (but not as good as Kasich).

Cons - he doesn't get along with anyone, how will he get stuff done? He is too socially conservative on some issues. He is simply slimy. All politicians lie and distort, but he does it above average.


-Donald Trump. Pros I think he would in fact seal the southern border. He doesn't care about PC...

Cons - ...he doesn't care about PC to a fault, where he attacks everyone in such petty ways. I think his economic policies may hurt the country. How will he get stuff done, when most can't stand him for his divisiveness.


-3rd Party. Pros not one of the above. Big parties need to be sent a message.

Cons - can't win and their candidates are probably as faulty if explored.
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Old 04-07-2016, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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All four will be fighting Republicans in Congress.
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Old 04-07-2016, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Here in the deep blue California, I would change my party affiliation to Democratic party, so I can vote for Bernie sanders.

In general election, depends.

If it is Trump vs Clinton, I will vote for Trump

If it is Cruz vs Clinton, I will vote for third party

If it is Trump vs Bernie Sanders, I will flip a coin.
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Old 04-07-2016, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Trump - Won’t Rule Out Using Nuclear Weapons (This is about a deal breaker for me)

Sanders - Minimum wage, economic policies (Almost like Deal breaker for me)

That is why I am still undecided.
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Old 04-07-2016, 09:17 PM
 
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Here in the deep blue California, I would change my party affiliation to Democratic party, so I can vote for Bernie sanders.

In general election, depends.

If it is Trump vs Clinton, I will vote for Trump

If it is Cruz vs Clinton, I will vote for third party

If it is Trump vs Bernie Sanders, I will flip a coin.
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Trump - Won’t Rule Out Using Nuclear Weapons (This is about a deal breaker for me)

Sanders - Minimum wage, economic policies (Almost like Deal breaker for me)

That is why I am still undecided.
Thanks for the feedback.
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Old 04-07-2016, 09:43 PM
 
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Someone posted an election decision flowchart on Twitter and FB that went viral. Can't duplicate it here, so I'll write it out:

Do you think crap is broken?

If yes, you think crap is broken: whom do you blame?
If you blame rich people: vote for Sanders.
If you blame immigrants, Muslims, and Mexico, and you believe Jesus is returning soon, vote for Cruz.
If you blame immigrants, Muslims, and Mexico, and you don't know or care when Jesus is returning, vote for Trump.

If no, you don't crap is broken: do you think women are people?
If yes, vote for Clinton.
If no, vote for Kasich.
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Old 04-07-2016, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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-Bernie Sanders. Pros most honest of the final four. Cares about everyday people.

Cons - Don't think he would get much passed, even with a democrat congress. Mismanaged the VA Committee as chairman where he ignored reports of corruption at the VA. Seems naive on certain things - told Erin Burnett that ISIS members that return to US get arrested in 5 minutes and didn't know that ISIS members from Belgium can travel to US without a visa. Etc... Per CNN his numbers on taxes and spending are rosy and still don't add up.


-Hillary Clinton. Pros I think she can work the best with others of the final four. She and Bill have a long history of compromising.

Cons - part of that compromising is her moral standards. She is a corrupt liar. She wants to increase Social Security payments - Hillary the trust fund will run out in about 2032 at which point it can only pay about 3/4ths of the benefits, why are you trying to break it sooner for votes?


-Ted Cruz. Pros I think he would do the best on the budget of the remaining four (but not as good as Kasich).

Cons - he doesn't get along with anyone, how will he get stuff done? He is too socially conservative on some issues. He is simply slimy. All politicians lie and distort, but he does it above average.


-Donald Trump. Pros I think he would in fact seal the southern border. He doesn't care about PC...

Cons - ...he doesn't care about PC to a fault, where he attacks everyone in such petty ways. I think his economic policies may hurt the country. How will he get stuff done, when most can't stand him for his divisiveness.


-3rd Party. Pros not one of the above. Big parties need to be sent a message.

Cons - can't win and their candidates are probably as faulty if explored.
Forgot to add, I still want to vote for Libertarian party, but I am not excited about Gary Johnson at all.
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Old 04-07-2016, 09:55 PM
 
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Forgot to add, I still want to vote for Libertarian party, but I am not excited about Gary Johnson at all.
Gary's alright, he did pretty decent in New Mexico (I lived there at the time). Nothing special, but in NM corruption runs the day and he did little damage compared to the person he replaced and especially who replaced him.
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Old 04-07-2016, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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A poster posted in another thread that,

Just keep this in mind. The last time a significant number of people voting for a 3rd party candidate, we ended up in Iraq for more than a decade and thousands of American lives lost there.

So, we might have to take this into consideration as well. I certainly know whom I don't want to vote, That will be the hawks from both parties.
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Old 04-07-2016, 10:17 PM
 
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I'm voting for the one that wants to prevent something like this from happening again.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqp22Vhq_DQ


"GO TRUMP" or live in a 3rd world dump
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