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Rick Scott, whose popularity hovers at 30%, has accomplished nothing. He's been a ratsnake placeholder for his entire governorship. He should have served time for medicare fraud. CEOs make lousy governors and they would make lousy presidents. They are dictators who believe they are always right, are used to having their own way without consulting anyone and they do work with others.
Whatever you say ... look at Scott's job creation, lower unemployment, tax cuts, budget surpluses. Some people will never be happy unless their personal agenda is being handled.
The inane actions of some protesters doesn't have anything to do with Trump's potential ability/inability as POTUS.
But seeing your anti-Trump folks punching Trump supporters in the face, violating 1st Amendment rights by shutting down events, waving around Mexican flags (Viva La Reconquista!!), bum-rushing Trump on stage, smashing police cars, vandalizing property, smashing through barricades, rioting, setting things on fire ...
The anti-Trump rioters are the most angry, violent and illegal thing happening this election cycle.
The Dems gotta own all of that and they're not. They're blaming the over-the-top violent actions of their supporters on Trump. Hillary Clinton has yet to say much other than implying "it's his own damn fault" and her camp is rumored to actually be the organizers of said riots. Barack Obama should have made a public statement unequivocally denouncing them, but he's been pretty quiet about it. Just a lot more of "he brought this on himself" rhetoric. It really feels like the rioters are direct proxies of of the Dems -- and I don't much care if the GOP implodes, so I have no axe to grind pointing all that out. Liberals are using rioting thugs proxies to forward their agenda and to silence anyone who dares to disagree with them.
At this point the Dems have rather foolishly ceded the moral high ground to Trump and his supporters.
First off: I am an Independent, and not a Trump supporter (I voted for Sanders in my state's primary) so don't shower me with abuse, okay?
Okay.
Here's my question for those who feel such loathing for Trump's statements (I specify statements, because all he has done is talk -- he has no political record to analyze): do you believe that all of the millions who have voted for and/or support Trump are as equally evil, racist, and sexist as you believe him to be? Are they unaware of what he stands for? Or are a certain percentage of them just ignorant dupes?
I ask this because the level of loathing for this likely presidential candidate is unprecedented in modern times. It is a frightening prospect to contemplate that level of loathing spilling over onto our fellow citizens who choose to exercise their right to vote for Mr. Trump.
Put simply, for those who seethe with such hatred toward Trump: do you hate those who support him? Or are you able to separate the political opinions of these people from their basic humanity? In other words, from another controversial topic, can you hate the sin but love the sinner?
I certainly can not speak for all those who have supported him, but I really doubt most are bigots, evil, of sexist. I think a number of them really are frustrated with the system and really are falling for his "I am the greatest" sales pitch. It is easy to see how he has been successful in Real Estate. It is shocking to me, so many people who appear to be intelligent are being taken in.
Of course I realize a lot who have supported him or voted for him are not the typical voter. Many do not usually vote. It seems many are voting based on a single issue. A lot by his comments about building the wall and returning all illegals back to their country. I wonder how disenchanted these people will be when it doesn't happen at all? Many realize he will back down on this for one reason or another and how is he going to bring jobs back to America? I could go on and on. Believing in what he says does not make a person any of the things you mention. An example wanting the illegals out of our country isn't a racist desire or closing the door on Muslims isn't either. Maybe I don't agree, but I don't think this makes a person evil.
I certainly can not speak for all those who have supported him, but I really doubt most are bigots, evil, of sexist. I think a number of them really are frustrated with the system and really are falling for his "I am the greatest" sales pitch. It is easy to see how he has been successful in Real Estate. It is shocking to me, so many people who appear to be intelligent are being taken in.
Of course I realize a lot who have supported him or voted for him are not the typical voter. Many do not usually vote. It seems many are voting based on a single issue. A lot by his comments about building the wall and returning all illegals back to their country. I wonder how disenchanted these people will be when it doesn't happen at all? Many realize he will back down on this for one reason or another and how is he going to bring jobs back to America? I could go on and on. Believing in what he says does not make a person any of the things you mention. An example wanting the illegals out of our country isn't a racist desire or closing the door on Muslims isn't either. Maybe I don't agree, but I don't think this makes a person evil.
This is pretty much how I feel about Trump supporters. ^^^^ And I believe nmnita and I are on opposite ends of the political spectrum.
I think that people want quick easy fixes to very complex problems and Trump seems to offer that. If he were elected he would not be able to follow through on 99% of it but his supporters don't see that yet.
First off: I am an Independent, and not a Trump supporter (I voted for Sanders in my state's primary) so don't shower me with abuse, okay?
Okay.
Here's my question for those who feel such loathing for Trump's statements (I specify statements, because all he has done is talk -- he has no political record to analyze): do you believe that all of the millions who have voted for and/or support Trump are as equally evil, racist, and sexist as you believe him to be? Are they unaware of what he stands for? Or are a certain percentage of them just ignorant dupes?
I ask this because the level of loathing for this likely presidential candidate is unprecedented in modern times. It is a frightening prospect to contemplate that level of loathing spilling over onto our fellow citizens who choose to exercise their right to vote for Mr. Trump.
Put simply, for those who seethe with such hatred toward Trump: do you hate those who support him? Or are you able to separate the political opinions of these people from their basic humanity? In other words, from another controversial topic, can you hate the sin but love the sinner?
Nope. I think most of them are just like Obama supporters. Swept up in the emotion of a cult of personality.
I don't hate them, but I don't have much respect for them either. And I do hate what they represent - the continuing dumbing down of the American electorate, the progressive deterioration of the entire political system, and the desperate death spiral dive toward the bottom as the candidates become worse and more unqualified every year. I mean, come on - 340 million people, and these couple of corrupt, criminal clowns are the best we can do? You kidding me?
On the one hand, you can blame our political system for allowing it to get to the point where so many people actually consider a monstrosity like Trump credible, much less the best choice - but at the same time, anyone dumb enough to vote for him doesn't get much empathy from me.
For the last half century, Americans have asked, "How could the Italian and German people ever have allowed leaders like Mussolini and Hitler to come to power?" What they don't realize is, this is how - people get fed up, scared, desperate, and they begin to crave authoritarianism. They'll listen to the biggest, loudest, toughest-sounding voice in the room, and follow it anywhere as long as it promises them it will take care of everything and they won't have to be afraid anymore. This is what happened in Europe 80 years ago, and it's exactly what is happening again here. Whether it will go as far here as it did there is doubtful, but the very fact that we're even going partway down the same road is deeply troubling, and a very bad indicator of the direction the nation is going. And I do blame Trump supporters for being too ignorant to comprehend that, and/or too amoral to care.
And, perhaps most of all, I blame the Republican Party for their decades-long anti-intellectualism campaign. The GOP has been deliberately neutering the education system and dumbing down the American people since the Reagan era, because they know that the more poorly educated someone is, the more likely they are to vote Republican. They depend on a stupid electorate get their majorities, and they have systematically and deliberately constructed one over the last 30 years or more. The Trumpist aberration is a direct outcome of that - and to that end, I blame just about every member of the Republican party for not only allowing it to happen, but helping to create it by voting for the candidates who have effected these policies.
So. Hate? No. Disgust? Absolutely. Contempt, too, of course. But not really hate. Not pity, either, because they made (and continue to make) conscious choices that make horrors like Trump and Cruz possible, and they have only themselves to blame. But no, I wouldn't say I hate them. Mostly just disgusted by them.
Amazing! An admitted Democratic socialist posts a thread that is obviously meant to inflame the animosity between the two sides of their enemy's party and it worked.
Amazing! An admitted Democratic socialist posts a thread that is obviously meant to inflame the animosity between the two sides of their enemy's party and it worked.
And now, merely a week and a half since you posted, the republicans are falling over each other to kiss and make up.
This is pretty much how I feel about Trump supporters. ^^^^ And I believe nmnita and I are on opposite ends of the political spectrum.
I think that people want quick easy fixes to very complex problems and Trump seems to offer that. If he were elected he would not be able to follow through on 99% of it but his supporters don't see that yet.
He can just do what Obama does, just use EO's.
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