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Old 06-10-2016, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Of the ones I know, I'd say about half are voting for Hillary and half Jill Stein.

One thing to note-many of the former Sanders supporters voting for Hillary are being very dismissive/insulting toward those planning on voting for Stein. I don't think anyone should be derided for their vote or pressured-it is very un-American. I personally do not know any planning to vote for Trump, but if they were I don't think they'd admit it-so there could be a portion.

Jill Stein would be such a better First Woman President (and First Jewish) IMO-there is still a degree of excitement about Hillary, but she is just seen as so 'same old same old' compared to Stein whom would be trans-formative and a complete breath of fresh air.
Totally agree. I'm attempting to locate the campaign operation here in Connecticut or New York. Hopefully we can make an impact this election and future elections.
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Old 06-10-2016, 12:42 PM
 
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Its a good thing Bernie didn't beat Hilary because he would have easily beat trump and that would have been a disaster for Democrats. Bernie was making promises that are too hard to keep and it would have disillusioned a generation of liberal voters. IMO Banking and finance, corporate structure, and the military industrial complex change when they want to chance themselves.
Bernie Sanders had some good ideas, but his ideas would never be implemented. There are too many Democrats beholden to Wall Street to ever let that happen. And we know the Republicans would never let it happen either. Both Sanders and Trump would have a hard time getting some of their ideas implemented, but I think Trump will be able to deliver on some of his promises as they require no new legislation. The laws are already on the books. All he has to do is start enforcing them again.
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Old 06-10-2016, 12:55 PM
 
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Bernie Sanders had some good ideas, but his ideas would never be implemented. There are too many Democrats beholden to Wall Street to ever let that happen.
He doesn't need a single one of them to enforce the laws already on the books. Obama simply refused to do that. Hillary will not do that.

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And we know the Republicans would never let it happen either. Both Sanders and Trump would have a hard time getting some of their ideas implemented, but I think Trump will be able to deliver on some of his promises as they require no new legislation. The laws are already on the books. All he has to do is start enforcing them again.
Sarbanes/Oxley is already on the books. Many on Wall Street could have been prosecuted under that law.
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Old 06-10-2016, 12:58 PM
 
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Bernie Sanders had some good ideas, but his ideas would never be implemented. There are too many Democrats beholden to Wall Street to ever let that happen. And we know the Republicans would never let it happen either. Both Sanders and Trump would have a hard time getting some of their ideas implemented, but I think Trump will be able to deliver on some of his promises as they require no new legislation. The laws are already on the books. All he has to do is start enforcing them again.
Nothing will change with this defeatist attitude thats for sure. This is like the dream of all Wall Street puppets and the donor class. Ensure that the people give up, dont fight and let themselves get steamrolled by people who DO fight for what they believe in. The people have far, far more power than they believe, so the mission of the donor class is to trick people into not exercising that power. Democrats voting against the people and a progressive president would get so much negative attention towards him/her she is unlikely to last long and they know it.
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Old 06-10-2016, 02:01 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Of the ones I know, I'd say about half are voting for Hillary and half Jill Stein.

One thing to note-many of the former Sanders supporters voting for Hillary are being very dismissive/insulting toward those planning on voting for Stein. I don't think anyone should be derided for their vote or pressured-it is very un-American. I personally do not know any planning to vote for Trump, but if they were I don't think they'd admit it-so there could be a portion.

Jill Stein would be such a better First Woman President (and First Jewish) IMO-there is still a degree of excitement about Hillary, but she is just seen as so 'same old same old' compared to Stein whom would be trans-formative and a complete breath of fresh air.
You know, I'm not being dismissive. I can see that her ideas could appeal to a liberal's liberal.


I'm just curious what would qualify Ms. Stein to run the country? Her good ideas?


I trust no one that thinks that they can step from City Council (not sure she even did THAT) to - leader of the free world.


It makes no sense to me.


That would be like me starting from file clerk to Vice President of a Fortune 500 Company.


Probably should be a few steps in between, no?
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Old 06-10-2016, 02:14 PM
 
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You know, I'm not being dismissive. I can see that her ideas could appeal to a liberal's liberal.


I'm just curious what would qualify Ms. Stein to run the country? Her good ideas?
She isn't a habitual liar that has sold out to Wall Street.


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I trust no one that thinks that they can step from City Council (not sure she even did THAT) to - leader of the free world.


It makes no sense to me.


That would be like me starting from file clerk to Vice President of a Fortune 500 Company.


Probably should be a few steps in between, no?
The 'professionals' have done a horrible job.
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Old 06-10-2016, 02:31 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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She isn't a habitual liar that has sold out to Wall Street.




The 'professionals' have done a horrible job.

Yeah; cause this is such a horrible place to live. Go spend a week in Somalia and let me know how you like it. Improvements can certainly be made - always.

Nothing you said eases my mind that she is capable of dealing with ISIS or other world leaders. Nothing. OR that she has the capability of dealing with and knowing how to regulate wall street. What in her physician background or stint in the town hall enables her to run the country?


Nothing.
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Old 06-10-2016, 02:44 PM
 
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Yeah; cause this is such a horrible place to live. Go spend a week in Somalia and let me know how you like it. Improvements can certainly be made - always.
When you are left with comparing us to Somalia........

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Nothing you said eases my mind that she is capable of dealing with ISIS or other world leaders. Nothing. OR that she has the capability of dealing with and knowing how to regulate wall street. What in her physician background or stint in the town hall enables her to run the country?


Nothing.
Maybe she can't. We already know for certain that Hillary can't.
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Old 06-10-2016, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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When you are left with comparing us to Somalia........



Maybe she can't. We already know for certain that Hillary can't.
It's not that Clinton can't but she won't. She is an architect of what is happening on Wall Street and in Somalia. Clinton supporters sound like the neo-cons of the Bush era. And since when have people become so naive to believe what a politician has to "say"?
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Old 06-10-2016, 02:53 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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When you are left with comparing us to Somalia........



Maybe she can't. We already know for certain that Hillary can't.
YOU know for certain.


Of course I think Hillary can do it. I wouldn't have voted for her otherwise. You're 'we' doesn't speak for me or millions of other people.
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