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Old 08-03-2016, 09:41 AM
 
Location: TN/NC
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It seems like when Trump sticks to a core message of jobs, terrorism, and law and order, poll numbers go up. I rarely find anyone that disagrees with the messages that got him to the dance.

However, fights with the Khans, internally in the party, crying baby issues, and general personal issues seems to be screwing the message. Trump himself is now the focus not the message. As this kind of petty crap goes on, the election becomes a referendum on Trump, not the status quo.

Anyone else feel like the core message is sound but the messenger to flawed to take it over the line?
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Old 08-03-2016, 10:08 AM
 
Location: New York
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What people like about Trump, he is a straight shooter and tells it like it is. He relates to the working middle class, which is the largest sector of our economy. At the Trump rally I went to, it was an incredible experience standing with 1000's all wanting the same thing - a better tomorrow.
  • Concerning Khan, why isn't the media talking about the mother of Christopher Stevens, who died in the Benghazi attacks.
  • Concerning Khan why isn't the media talking about the father defending Sharia Law and allowing country's with known terrorists into the United States. To the extent of Muslim immigrates buying their way into US citizenship.
  • Concerning the crying baby - the media is spinning another lie. Trump said he loves baby's - watch the full video.
I am seeing the top 1% riches Americans afraid to support Trump. because his changes would affect their income. The middle class demands change. Not four more years of the last eight years.





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Old 08-03-2016, 10:14 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I've said in the past my choice for POTUS would have been Jim Webb, a man who holds some positions I don't agree with but a man whose interviews always gave me the feeling he could be trusted.

That's my problem with Trump, while I may agree with some of his ideas his history of 'iffy' business dealings and the lies he's told during his campaign give me no feeling of trust whatsoever.
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Old 08-03-2016, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Stasis
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[*] Concerning Khan, why isn't the media talking about the mother of Christopher Stevens, who died in the Benghazi attacks.
Christopher Stevens mother does not blame Hillary and wishes that Trump and the GOP would stop using her son's name as a political football.
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Old 08-03-2016, 10:24 AM
 
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It seems like when Trump sticks to a core message of jobs, terrorism, and law and order, poll numbers go up. I rarely find anyone that disagrees with the messages that got him to the dance.

However, fights with the Khans, internally in the party, crying baby issues, and general personal issues seems to be screwing the message. Trump himself is now the focus not the message. As this kind of petty crap goes on, the election becomes a referendum on Trump, not the status quo.

Anyone else feel like the core message is sound but the messenger to flawed to take it over the line?
Most folks have at least a passing interest in decent jobs, keeping America safe from terrorism, law and order, education, debt...

But I have yet to hear any rational plans from Mr. Trump other than he will fix it and it will be great.

But then, I haven't heard any rational plans from the Republicans in years. The constant drumbeat of how dreadful President Obama is doing just doesn't fit with the facts.

The number of police officers killed during Obama's presidency has gone down, not up.

Fewer police killed during Obama's administration than any two-term president in our lifetime

We are not in a dreadful economic situation, in fact things are going a great deal better than they were under Cheney/Bush.

Economic Record: President Bush Jr.
President George W. Bush has the worst economic record of any president since Hoover. He holds the worst performance for GDP growth, stock market performance and job creation of any president of at least the most recent 11 presidents, and is near the bottom of the lists for all of the other measures below.

Terrorism is an on-going problem, but we haven't had the Pentagon attacked since the last Republican administration. And while things are in a turmoil in Syria, etc., you got to admit that attacking Afghanistan and Iraq didn't help matters any in the Mideast.

Congress appears to be an an ineffective standstill, thanks to Republican obstructionism and the constant focus on undermining the President.

IMO, though the messenger seems unhinged, the Republican message is no better than it has been in at least the last couple decades.

In lieu of effective policies and programs, the Republicans seem to rely on name calling and vicious, unwarranted attacks. Jail Hillary Clinton? For what, pray tell? As to being crooked, Trump's the one who has been involved in over 3,000 lawsuits, many having to do with fraud.

Republicans appear to be a mess and a half. Whether the old, white guys will get it together remains to be seen.

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Old 08-03-2016, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Paradise
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Anyone else feel like the core message is sound but the messenger to flawed to take it over the line?
I could agree with this.


It's getting to the point where my cynicism says that this Presidential election is nothing more than a reality tv style popularity contest. We should all just dial a 1-900 number to vote.


At this point, I'm not sure how much I care who lives in the White House. It's the Senate and Congress that are really the "power".
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Old 08-03-2016, 10:34 AM
 
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Christopher Stevens mother does not blame Hillary and wishes that Trump and the GOP would stop using her son's name as a political football.
Since 2011, the Republicans have voted for significantly reduced funding for embassy security. Rational people realize the lack of sufficient security was due to reduced funding, not who was Secretary of State at the moment.

Benghazi was throughly investigated and found Hillary Clinton was not to blame. Yet the Republicans continue to haul this around. They may want to give this up as most reasonable people, including Christopher Stevens' family, see it is being politically motivated.

If they were really concerned about embassy security, they would beef up the funding for it. Let's see if that happens.
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Old 08-03-2016, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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His message is to rile people up about what's wrong with the world (true or not) and then claim he and only he will fix it all. Fast.

He offers no sound ideas on how he will fix everything other than making great deals and hiring the best people (we see how well that's going).

Then on top of that are all his gaffes and outrageous statements which are becoming too many to list.

He offers nothing in either the message or the man.
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Old 08-03-2016, 10:42 AM
 
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Trump is as good as it can realistically get. There have been numerous chances over the years for politicians to take his talking points and run with them but they are all far too concerned with their careers or have no interest.
And even IF Donny gained the White House he'd still have 535 people in Congress far too concerned with their careers to do much else, what's gonna make them change?

He shows little/no interest in anything but the 'My way or the highway' approach, not exactly a great attitude to take to Capitol Hill.
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Old 08-03-2016, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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It seems like when Trump sticks to a core message of jobs, terrorism, and law and order, poll numbers go up. I rarely find anyone that disagrees with the messages that got him to the dance.

However, fights with the Khans, internally in the party, crying baby issues, and general personal issues seems to be screwing the message. Trump himself is now the focus not the message. As this kind of petty crap goes on, the election becomes a referendum on Trump, not the status quo.

Anyone else feel like the core message is sound but the messenger to flawed to take it over the line?
Well, consider I am not going to be voting for Mr/Ms Congeniality, and that I believe the economy, jobs, security and healthcare are the issues, I don't listen to the media. I based my choice on the research that I did.

And, were you expecting someone perfect? If so, I understand your disappointment. Trump is the first one to actually address the issues, and yes, the media has played up a bunch of minor issues. While he could have handled the "Khan" situation better, I think it was important that "Kahn" the father be exposed for his affiliations with radical Islam and to bring to light that it was in his personal interest as an immigration lawyer to support Hillary and attack Trump. Also, having lost their son that way, the father may wish that he had not came to the USA because his son might very well still be alive.

The crying baby was not an issue. General personal issues? Everyone kind of has those, but when someone isn't outside the LAW, I don't have an issue. I do have an issue with candidates that either they or their family members engage in activities that could lead the POTUS to be blackmailed as that becomes a security issue.

So, I am fine with Trump, and continue to be focused on the issues and keeping one of the most corrupt and despicable candidates to ever be running out of the WH!
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