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Old 03-07-2008, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Speaking is not Ron Paul's strongest attribute. He uses mannerisms often while expressing himself. Add the fact that most dismissed him from the start and the other's reactions were predictable. I consider Ron Paul to be like a distinguished professor, highly qualified but not a brilliant orator. His knowledge is far superior to any other candidate as he had a real answer for any question asked of him. Excellent speakers tend to be nothing but puppets anyway. The American people would rather be entertained than educated.
I agree, but he actually let the other Republicans LAUGH at him and dismiss him like a loony uncle. People donated lots of money to his campaign, the youth were involved, he is intelligent and practical but if you let people run all over you and define you, you're toast. A leader MUST take command of discussions and not allow him/herself to be defined.
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Old 03-08-2008, 05:25 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Who would you want at the helm... an experienced candidate or a rookie? The best solution... Hillary/Obama and Bill in the background... this is the dream team that can save our economy. McCain admits that the economy is not his strong suit and wants a 100 year war! I am basing my decision on who is best suited to keep food on all our tables and fix the economy. Our economy was at its best when the Clinton's were in the Whitehouse.
You mean the economy was good when Bill Clinton was in the Whitehouse. That is true. Bill Clinton was a good manager of the economy. Too bad he is such a scoundrel otherwise. His scandles cost the Democrats control of the Congress and Senate and cost his VP the Presidency. Any other DECENT President with a track record like his would have increased the numbers of Democrats in the House and Senate and their VP would have been a slam dunk shoo in for President. And GW Bush would have been in Texas the last 8 years playing Whiskey Lullaby.
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Old 03-08-2008, 06:45 AM
 
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The "100 year war" comment has been taken out of context and clearly blown out of proportion.
OH? Have you been keeping up with what's happening in Iraq? Guess not.


But that's OK....see, if we keep our eye on the elections, who insulted who, and all that baloney...we'll let the bloodshed slip out of sight...out of mind....more Iraqis were killed, another American soldier died....in case anyone is interested....
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Old 03-08-2008, 08:42 AM
 
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You mean the economy was good when Bill Clinton was in the Whitehouse. That is true. Bill Clinton was a good manager of the economy. Too bad he is such a scoundrel otherwise. His scandles cost the Democrats control of the Congress and Senate and cost his VP the Presidency. Any other DECENT President with a track record like his would have increased the numbers of Democrats in the House and Senate and their VP would have been a slam dunk shoo in for President. And GW Bush would have been in Texas the last 8 years playing Whiskey Lullaby.
I don't remember any presidents before Clinton (and there were many) being impeached over a sexual picadilo. The mass media and republicans had more to do with Clinton's impeachment. I don't know about others but I would not impeach a president who was doing a great job of running the country because he got caught doing what many other presidents have done before him. Give the man a break... yeah, he made a big mistake and has paid his dues and then some. Let him redeem himself already. Can't undo the past but we can change the future and I think the Clinton's can do that and get it right this time. Nothing like learning from your mistakes.
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Old 03-08-2008, 09:24 AM
 
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You mean the economy was good when Bill Clinton was in the Whitehouse. That is true. Bill Clinton was a good manager of the economy. Too bad he is such a scoundrel otherwise. His scandles cost the Democrats control of the Congress and Senate and cost his VP the Presidency. Any other DECENT President with a track record like his would have increased the numbers of Democrats in the House and Senate and their VP would have been a slam dunk shoo in for President. And GW Bush would have been in Texas the last 8 years playing Whiskey Lullaby.
Don't forget -- Bill Clinton signed NAFTA and made many trips to China in order to get American jobs sent out of the country.

The Clintons are no less than the Bushes when it comes to working for the big corporations and their lust for cheap labor.

With Hillary it will be more of the same. More job loss for Americans.
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Old 03-08-2008, 09:26 AM
 
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I don't remember any presidents before Clinton (and there were many) being impeached over a sexual picadilo. The mass media and republicans had more to do with Clinton's impeachment. I don't know about others but I would not impeach a president who was doing a great job of running the country because he got caught doing what many other presidents have done before him. Give the man a break... yeah, he made a big mistake and has paid his dues and then some. Let him redeem himself already. Can't undo the past but we can change the future and I think the Clinton's can do that and get it right this time. Nothing like learning from your mistakes.

He actually wasn't impeached for the Oval Office antics and his affairs, he was impeached for perjury. But with Hillary running -- it's easy to try to forget that.

Let's just all agree it's time for a change, time for a new face. Support Obama.
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Old 03-08-2008, 09:33 AM
 
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He actually wasn't impeached for the Oval Office antics and his affairs, he was impeached for perjury. But with Hillary running -- it's easy to try to forget that.

Let's just all agree it's time for a change, time for a new face. Support Obama.
Yeah, so let's just all vote for Obama because we need a new face and a change of pace. That is good logic.
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Old 03-08-2008, 09:39 AM
 
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Yeah, so let's just all vote for Obama because we need a new face and a change of pace. That is good logic.
Exactly. Or are you perfectly happy with the way things are going now?

You want more NAFTA? More job loss -- then vote for Hillary -- First Lady of the signer of NAFTA. You want more China trade which means more American job loss -- how many of those China trips did First Lady Clinton take?

You want more cheap labor -- stagnant and falling wages -- then Hillary's the First Lady for you. She's all for it -- in fact she wants more cheap labor immigration for her CEO friends.

An maybe we can bomb Somalia again. And Serbia. That worked for Bill.

CHANGE. Support Obama.
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Old 03-08-2008, 09:43 AM
 
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Logic. The Clinton's have more experience than Obama on the economy... wartime or not.
What experience? All of her experience in New York has caused the loss of tens of thousands of jobs there.. yes, just what we need, someone experienced at losing jobs.
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Old 03-08-2008, 09:46 AM
 
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What experience? All of her experience in New York has caused the loss of tens of thousands of jobs there.. yes, just what we need, someone experienced at losing jobs.

Hillary was 100% behind NAFTA and the giveaway of our jobs. She'll of course try to claim that wasn't the case because Hillary changes every day depending on what she things it takes to win.

One day she laughs, the next day she cries. One day she lovingly tries to touch Obama's arm during a debate, the next weeks she's throwing a temper-tantrum about him.

Now she's trying to pretend she wants jobs for the American people? Yeah right. She and Bill didn't take all those trips to China just for sight-seeing.
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